I feel the same way. Combine that with the lack of pretty much any Zoemund advertising at all leads me to believe the writers couldn't care less about them.

Zoemund feels like an afterthought. Like they had the opportunity to develop it in 13B when Zoe first bought the pills for Drew - like they could've very well conspired against Matlingsworth together considering that they were basically in the same boat - but didn't, and waited until the end of the season to establish any kind of bond. But even then, as soon as there was that glimmer of hope that Maya MIGHT be into him...

..He turned back into the lovesick puppy he's been since Doll Parts. :p

Exactly. I feel like there were several better ways that Zoemund could have been done. In fact, I think they really SHOULD have hooked them up back in 13B and built on that connection. Then Maya comes into the rubber room and there's still the attraction between Zig and Maya, but they stick with Miles and Zoe for a little while. Season 14 could have been the time to really revisit Zaya. But of course, they just had to go for the obvious rich suitor vs poor suitor triangle.

idk it really is hard to say what the game plan was. If they had always planned for Zig to save her then I can see why they held back on interactions. Its a interesting scene because they don't know each other that well, if they were already close the scene wouldn't have made sense. With that said them becoming romantic is another story. I just think it was a mistake to do them romantically at all. Plus after pining after Maya for a year I don't buy that Zoe is his type. Granted she does have stuff in common with Tori but to go from Maya to Zoe, I don't see where Zig sees the appeal outside her being beautiful.

I feel the same way. They completely rushed the romantic aspect in Thunderstruck. I can't figure out when Zig fell for this girl and in some ways, she's Tori without the redeeming qualities. Honestly, I think girls like Tori and Zoe are Zig's usual type. Gloria was somewhat similar. That's what makes his love for Maya stick out to me because she's NOT his type. She's not the one he'd normally go for, yet she manages to steal his heart any way. I've always liked that.

That right there gave me feels<3 That makes so much more sense actually.

It's funny because I remember a common argument against Zaya being that it's shallow and to me, Zig's relationship with Maya is by far the least shallow one he's been involved in. They put a lot of emphasis on Tori's looks and how they appealed to Zig. They're doing the same thing with Zoemund.

oh god they really do, like in 14x01 they just really made that obvious with the way he looked at her at the end. They just come off so sexual compared to zaya and not in a good way. Its also really surprising considering What Zoe's been through, I sorta saw it going another way. But maybe that was the point she was trying to reclaim her sexuality this season:confused:

Yeah, I see what you mean. The problem is that they've portrayed Zoemund as so shallow and so sexual and completely skipped over any kind of development and depth. So now when Zig claims to care about her, I'm not sure I buy it. I realize that Zig is a great guy, but to me she seems more like someone he wants to hook up with than really a girlfriend type. Plus he doesn't really pine for her, IMO.

True, they haven't show him wanting her the same way he does Maya.

off topic but ugh I really just don't want Zoe involved with Zig's storyline, but it seems inevitable in same ways. But something about her being in his gang storyline and maybe saving him from the gang rubs me the wrong way.Maybe that's unfair of me but I essentially feel she doesn't belong in his story.The only thing that can ruin his ark for me is her being so involved in it. So I hope this is not the case. But I just can't tell what the writers actually have in mind for Zoemund.

I don't think Zoe will be the one to "save" him per say. But I think she has to be involved. They're pushing this idiotic ship for a reason and eventually, they're going to happen whether we like it or not. But I'm with you. Zoe hasn't shown Zig ANY kind of consideration all season. Should I really be happy if she suddenly comes in to save the day? I'll roll my eyes if this is supposed to redeem her. Please. No grand gestures. What Zoe needs is to become a better person. There was actually a promo released and it convinces me that while Zoe may be involved, that doesn't mean Maya will not be.

Something I was thinking about today was how so often I feel there are arguments for them to be a couple just based off him helping her or saving her, however one wants to put it. But didn't Peter help Emma with her eating disorder? he was the one who got Manny to come and gather her family to help. That's a great thing he did for Emma and the right thing, just like Zig with Zoe. But that's didn't mean they were meant to last. I think its great he did that for Zoe but like I have said I feel that's all they have to go off of and its not enough just like it wasn't enough for pemma. Emma's feelings for Sean were just greater than her feelings for Peter and I think the same can be said for Zig's feeling for Maya vs Zoe.

Yeah, I agree. It just always bothers me that we NEVER hear about the reverse, which is what Zoe can offer Zig. No one ever seems to have any answers. It's fine to ship Zoemund, but for me, I'd rather enjoy the couples who mutually give each other something. Zoe has never once supported Zig or even treated him with much respect. Add in the fact that Zig's feelings for Maya will always trump anything else and it's just not worth investing in. At least to me.

That makes me think of Katie/Drew, as well. Katie was the one who helped Drew cope with his PTSD, but she clearly wasn't the one for him.

I see a few of their shippers say Zoe has changed Zig and made him a better man. Which I disagree with, I think the changes Zig has made started before Zoe and have continued in her absents, she just receiving the benefits of those changes. But so far I have to agree their relationship is primarily what Zig can do for her to make her feel loved but not so much about Zoe being loving toward Zig. I would imagine its because her guard is up in a understandable way but at the same time it doesn't make them likable as a ship for me so although I can sorta understand the psychology behind Zoe's behavior with Zig, its not for me. Exactly, that's why overall I'm not really worried about Zoemund lasting long. Zig's obvious feelings for Maya give me a lot of reassurance that it won't.

I just finished watching Believe a few minutes ago and TBH, I think Ricardo and Ana worked best as a platonic friendship. There was an easiness about their scenes back then. It was only when they started forcing the romantic aspect, THE VERY NEXT EPISODE, that it went off the rails. But I couldn't help but notice that even back then, it was never about Zig. It was always about Zoe. Zig saved her life, after all. It's as if their fans have fallen in love with the idea that Zig can somehow save Zoe. It's like the opposite of every bad boy/good girl pairing. Why does one character need to be saved? Wouldn't the story line be better if that character could change themselves? The thing is, I can understand shipping Zig and Zoe based on that one episode. It could have been a nice story about two people, both looking for fresh starts and finding each other in the process. Kind of like Sean and Ellie, in a way. But by writing Zoe as so over the top horrible, that's gone. Most of what could have been positive is now out the window, IMO.

I completely agree that Zoe hasn't changed Zig at all. Zig has ALWAYS had a good heart. Yes, he screws up. Yes, he can be a jerk. No, he's not perfect. But their fans act like he was practically a monster before Zoe entered his life and that's just not true. He's consistently been a good friend to Maya as well as others. In fact, it's because Zig is such a good guy that I truly do not think that Zoe deserves him.