Anti-Zoe/Zig: Because Zig deserves someone who appreciates him.
 

They've shared many scenes together and will likely become a couple in the future so here is a place to discuss all things anti Zig/Zoe. Rant away about anything you dislike about the idea of them together.

If you have a better title, feel free to suggest it. We can also add fan art to the OP and create a anti-supporters and reasons to not ship them list.

I think the title is perfect, honestly.

My big reason for hating them is that Zoe treats Zig like dirt. It seems like at every turn, she expects the worst of him. According to the minis, their relationship is now physically abusive. I realize that Zoe has been through a lot but there are lines that you don't cross.

I didn't mind the idea of them initially, at the start of 14A when they were getting their flirt on. They reminded me of a more sexually-charged Zori (which, I liked Zori, I thought they were really cute but I digress.) But my main problem with this ship is that, despite everything, Zoe is still incredibly mean, just... in general. Her default personality is just... not particularly nice. Like all that stuff she did to Frankie just left a bad taste in my mouth and while I understand that a lot of the Degrassi Nudes stuff stemmed from a distorted mentality of "taking back" her sexuality... she can still be pretty nasty.

I mean, it seemed like she was going to go the route of Paige or Holly J but then that hasn't happened yet. If it had, I might've been fine with Zoemund. But as Zoe is right now, I can't really get on board with it.

I think another problem of mine with Zoemund may be that they remind me of Zori as well. I was never a fan of that and found them 100% incompatible. It's really hard for me to even think about getting behind this ship, ever. We rightfully judge guys for the way that they treat girls. Eli, Peter, Drew at times, Miles, etc. But what about the girls? It almost reminds me of the double standard with Katie. She got away with what she did to Drew and was never really questioned about it because she was a girl. That story line never would have happened with the roles reversed. I'm not trying to compare Zoe assaulting Zig to Katie, IMO, raping Drew, but it is similar. If a guy had done either of those things, there would be no debate.

I will never understand their horrible development in season 14. Season 13 left them in a good place, I was okay with them for the most part. Then s14 it was such a mess. My thing is if you trying to portray this as a believable connection and relationship why not have them talk more and bond more? They just flirted and then she got mad at him because he didn't want a nude picture from her...I felt ridiculous just writing that. For me they just don't share nearly half the connection and development zaya has at this point and just aren't a strong ship and him saving her is not enough to validate them as a couple for me. I just don't think the show is doing a good job with them and aren't making them very appealing, at least for me. I know a lot of people do love them.

It makes me wonder what the writers' intentions are here. I'm beginning to think that the writers don't care that much about Zoemund and aren't trying to make the fans care, either. Sure you have Zig saying these nice things from time to time but it seems.. forced. I don't know when they truly "bonded". So when he was calling her "Zo" earlier in the season, it didn't sit right with me. Oh, sure. Zig has been Maya's friend for two years and there's no nickname but he's been flirting it up with Zoe for like.. 2 weeks and they have nicknames? It feels badly written to say the least. Also, I can't quite explain it, but Ricardo does something different with Zaya scenes in comparison to Zoemund (and in the past, Zori) scenes. His interactions with Maya come across as very genuine and it makes it really hard for me to accept another Zig ship. Then with Zoe, she is doing NOTHING to show that she cares one bit about Zig. All she does is put him down. Yes, Zoe has been through a lot. But so has Zig. This isn't the relationship I want for him at all.

I have to agree, their "relationship" (if we can even call it that) seems out of nowhere. Its not that Zoemund is really being rushed as a couple but their connection is being rushed if that makes sense. Like I said him saving her just doesn't compensate for not showing them bonding and getting to know each other. I don't understand how we went from that bus scene to going to the dance as friend to trying to get Zig turned on get school in the matter of maybe 4 weeks? The writers are just being lazy with them and I truly believe its because they think the bus scenes is enough to explain their connection and like I have said it really isn't.
I just think in general Ricardo's best work on this show is in Zaya scenes and I think the writers realize that which is why they can't just walk away from that and keep them as friends at the very least. Those two in scenes together are gold. I think Ricardo feels Zig loves Maya, so that's why he plays it different. Where with Zoe, Zig is not in love with Zoe, at least not atm, so he is not playing it as he would if it was a zaya scene. That's why it is hard to see Zig with any one else. Ricardo has done such a great job at making me believe Zig loves Maya. I don't believe he is over her and that he is totally invested in Zoe yet. From the writers perspective with Zoe I think they are trying to have Zig show her not all guys will treat you like dirt, which she has been treated badly by men in the past. So I suppose that's why she is not as open to him as he is her and why she doesn't put in as much effort as he does. But at the end of the day Zoe is kinda mean( naturally) and exactly as you said, that's not the kinda girl I see Zig with.

Zoemund felt like an afterthought at the end of last season. But really, so much of season 13 was sloppy. They spent too much time on stuff they shouldn't have, spent too little time on stuff that really should have been expanded on, waited too long to do ___, etc. First they kept Zig offscreen for essentially half the season and then spent the majority of his screen time tied to the triangle with Maya and Miles. So once Zoe entered the picture, it did come across as out of nowhere and very much a rebound. It's hard to accept that he's supposedly over Maya and super into Zoe. Even in the last block they managed to mishandle them. Once again, they dropped the ship after the second episode only to bring it back towards the end. Why? There was more than enough time to do a quick scene here and there, demonstrating WHY Zoe is worthy of Zig. I hate to say it like that, but he was treated like dirt every step of the way.

True, but I do feel like Zig and Maya had a certain magic from the first scene on. Something about the Ricardo and Olivia chemistry worked for me and no matter how long those two go without having scenes, the second they're back together, it's clear what's been missing. Whatever the real reason, I'm glad that the writers can see that there's something worth investing in with Zig/Maya.

That's the thing that worries me. They're setting up Zig as the nice guy Zoe deserves when it seems clear he's not over Maya and she is going to be the person he winds up with. So.. Zoe gets hurt again? Because I feel like we're headed for a triangle where Zoe loses. That's another reason why I'm against Zoemund. It seems pointless to give her this big, important relationship with a guy who will never truly love her the way she'd like.

That's true season 13 was a hot mess outside Zoe's rape plot. Well that's just it, it does come across as a rebound, since like a week before him and Zoe went to the dance together he was obviously still pining over Maya and even when he was going to the dance with Zoe, remember his and Grace's conversation where he got all excited that Maya might like him. The timing on them is not great considering its happening as he is trying to move on from Maya.

Yeah that was one thing that I'm not okay with, Zig's first choice is Maya, that's why he is a bad choice to be the guy that finally treats her right.To do a love triangle and have him hurt Zoe would be character regression for Zig in a lot of ways. Him kissing Maya while he was with Tori was Katie's point to Maya as to why he was not worthy of her. This adds to why I think Maya refers to him as a bad guy in comparison to Miles in 13x26, she thinks he is gonna break her heart( so much is left unsaid in that scene my god) . So to show he is worthy of Maya and not one of those guys, he can't leave Zoe for Maya. So I think the best thing we can hope for is that maybe Maya and Zig will happen after zoemund is over but during Zoemund its established Maya has feelings for him.

EXACTLY. No matter how into Zoe he supposedly is, Maya is always his first choice. He's always in tune with her feelings. According to the minis, the reason he didn't go to meet Zoe is because he was doing MAYA a favor. He gave up a date with a crush to go check on his worst enemy.

No matter what happens, I won't feel as badly for Zoe as I did for Tori. Because again, Zoe has treated him like complete and utter CRAP. Yes, cheating is bad, but she's done worse to people and it's hard to get behind pitying her. Now with the show possibly being cancelled, I'd prefer they avoid the ship entirely.

I agree, I thought the mini said a lot about his his feelings for Maya vs his feelings for Zoe. I love that Miles calls him out on it too. It will forever be amazing how everyone else can tell there is always more between them but they are always in such denial, more Maya than Zig but still.

I get that, I am not a big Zoe fan anyway. I just think for Zig who has grown so much this past season should handle thing more mature than he did with Tori not because Zoe deserves it but to show how Zig has matured as a person.

I think at this point, both Zig AND Maya want to hide their feelings for each other. As frustrating as it is, it's also more interesting than poor Zig wearing his heart on his sleeve while Maya continuously shuts him down. But enough is enough. It's time for Maya to start making the moves because we already saw the "Zig chases Maya" story line TWICE. They haven't even dated yet.

Oh, well then I absolutely agree. Zig's development should come first. I think it would be interesting to see him come close to cheating, but then pull back at the last second. I think they referenced Zori last season, but I kind of want to see Tori's lasting effect on Zig. Just a moment where he's like "We can't do this again".

I don't know what they're going to do if Degrassi isn't taken up by another network.

Obviously Zaya is a slow build ship, much like Bhandurner from season 9-11. Literally from the moment they were introduced, they've been dangling this couple in front of us, so obviously they plan for it to happen at some point... but now it looks like it's either going to be rushed or it won't happen at all.

This is so awful, but I'll take rushed Zaya over no Zaya. That's how desperate I am. It's not the ideal situation at all, but I feel like the Zaya fans have been strung along more than any other shippers with no payoff thus far. So I will take a quick hook up and them living happily ever after due to the show getting cancelled.

I just think its really interesting they have been teasing zaya more than ever in the mist of what is Zoemund's build up.