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Old 02-12-2013, 12:30 PM
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The Vampire Diaries S&S #162: Because Silas needs to wake up so that he can resurrect some parents


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4x14- Down the Rabbit Hole - 2/14
Written by Jose Molina
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[Australian Promo]

CHARLIE BEWLEY FROM “TWILGHT” GUEST STARS AS ONE OF THE FIVE HUNTERS — On the island, Damon has an ugly run-in with a Hunter named Vaughn, and realizes he is one of The Five. Stefan confesses his true feelings about the possibility of becoming human again to Elena. When a stunning new piece of information about the cure is suddenly revealed, it changes the stakes for everyone. Jeremy helps Bonnie recognize what is real and what is an illusion, and Shane is comforted by a woman from his past, Caitlin. Back in Mystic Falls, Caroline and Tyler find that their attempt to translate the code on the Hunter’s Sword is futile without help from Klaus, who has his own reasons for solving the puzzle. Claire Holt also stars. Chris Grismer directed the episode written by Jose Molina (#414).
@julieplec will klaus and caroline have more scenes to come? @kalliejane yes in 413 and 414. Big ones.
[Plot points]

4x15 - Stand by Me - 2/21
Written by Julie Plec
Promotional Stills BTS Photo
THE TERRIBLE TRUTH — When Stefan arrives back in Mystic Falls with Elena and Jeremy, Caroline is immediately worried about Elena’s state of mind. Stefan reaches out to Dr. Fell and Matt for help. Still on the island, Damon relays somber news to Rebekah, and is surprised at her reaction. Together, Damon and Rebekah learn an unexpected bit of recent history from Vaughn. Everyone is horrified when Bonnie reveals the rest of Shane’s plan. Finally, after Damon does his best to help her, Elena comes up with a plan of her own.
Kat tweeted and said episode 15 is one of the best episodes ever shot. Made her cry.
Nina. "Agreed. Ditto.. That it was. Epic and heart wrenching..." Jan 18th
"Tear streaked face with blood on my hands... #thevampirediaries" Jan 9th
@zach_roerig and I shooting a scene for episode 415 - it's been an emotional roller coaster ride kind of week. Jan 18th

[Elijah coming back 4x15 or 4x16] [Meredith coming back!!!] [Defan fight, in the cave] [Highly skeptical damon death spoiler with no source] [DES photo, and plot points]


Hiatus!! 4x16 - Bring It On - 3/14
Written by Elisabeth Finch & Michael Narducci
Joseph. Also read script for episode 16 of a certain popular series involving night walkers. Interesting storyline developing Jan 4th
[Another damon picture] [on set: damon bleeding (4x16? could be 13,14) [Damon biting someone 4x16]

4x17 - Because of the Night? - 3/21
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Elena and Damon go to New York City
[New character "Aja" 4x17] [Crazy crazy bonnie stuff 4x17] [NY street scene BTS photo] [NY BTS photo 2] [Casting calls: kissing couple, ethnicities for NY scene] [PHOTO: nina on set, katherine?] [BTS ian and nina] [A whole lot of tid-bits from onlookers while filming]

4x18 - American Gothic - 3/28
Written by Evan Bleiweiss and Jose Molina
[Extras casting call, small town USA] [Script image]


General Spoilers: (most recent first)
[Hybrid-Sex with Klaus?] [Exclusive Interview: Charlie Bewley Previews His Role as Vaughn on The Vampire Diaries] [Shocking and much-anticipated return] [elena's poster: losing her humanity] [Prom photo BTS/onlooker] [Klaus being self-destructive 4x20] [Damon and Elena] [Damon Sweeps poster] [Something crazy and tragic, i'm scared ] [kol staying dead, another death, lexi flashback] [They are filming a NYC street scene] [Claire holt inteview, cure info] [Promo poster: stelena, rebekah] [Another Ian interview] [Ian interview] [The future of Beremy] [Shocking. Bloody. Death.] [Kat graham on everything bonnie] [Bonnie going dark?] [Bonnie and Jeremy <3] [HUGE, SHOW ALTERING DEATHS??!!] [Kat interview about shane, bonnie's dad, jeremy] [How klaus is like stefan & damon] [Some 4x20 Klus plot] [Will katherine return?] Elijah will be a lead in the spinoff, also has 2 witches] [No forwood in 4x11 or 12] [Nina & paul BTS filming photo] [Elijah will be in 4x20 and in the spinoff] [Introducing, Camille 4x20] [Delena and Stebekah developments] [Someone's making a move against klaus 4x20] [New characters for the spinoff will be introduced in 4x20, April 25th] [All about Rebekah] [First top 5 predictions for 2013] [Cheerleader extra casting call] [Carina's chat spoilers] [Tyler vs. Klaus] [Someone's EXTENDED absence??!! (not hayley)] [Blind item: not about caroline, but might she die?] [Hints about cure "sacrifice"] [JP interview post mid-season finale] [Both tringles, jeremy, shane] [Camping stills from Molina] [Klaus, originals, & drama] [Second half of season & Professor Shane] [70"s flashback, katherine return?] [JP tweets post 4x09] [JP interview post 4x09] [Klaus] [Candice accola interview] [Shane's got motive] [Sire related stuff] [Interview about shane] [Will Kelena ever go head to head?] [Season 4 gets an extra episode as the love triangle gets bloody]

General Tweets:
JuliePlec. The beautiful and cynical @carolinedries agrees to co-write the Prom episode.
CarinaMacKenzie. @onicuc IF Damon was going to die, do you realllllllly think I'd spoil it?
@cadlymack have you found out anything about the preacher storyline and how that will play into the second half of the season of TVD? @CandaceMann not really! i think it's obvious shane got the pastor to sacrifice the 12 so he could bring his family back, though.
@cadlymack Carina please tell me! As a Stebekah Shipper, i want to know can we expect some HOT STEBEKAH SCENES? @Wesleywski I think soooooo
"With Kat Graham and Paul Wesley #TVD #KeepTheMayorAlive - @rickworthy1- #webstagram"

Interviews with the Cast/EPs:
Julie Plec [Before 4x04] [TV Addict][post premiere interview][Triangle reset][Starrymag] [Examiner] [Hollywoodreporter] [Wetpaint] [Fanhattan] [TVline]
Kevin Williamson [Elena's Season 4 Journey 'Won't Be Easy']
Candice Accola [Helping Elena and on Klaus in Tyler's body]
Paul Wesley [Guilt and Elena turning]
Ian Somerhalder [Delena][Bad boy Damon's not pining] [Elena compulsion]
Daniel Gillies [Elijahs S4 return] [Flashback spoilers]
Zack Roerig[Matt, Rebekah, and missing Matt Davis][Moral compass] [Drastic changes in MF]
Torrey Devitto [Sticking around]
Joseph Morgan [Episode 4.04]

Casting News:
Rick Worthy as Rudy Owens (4x10) [1] [2]
Charlie Bewley as Vaughn (4x13)
Aja (4x17)
Camille Guaty

The Originals Spinoff
Leigh Pipes casted as human Camille
Danielle Campbell casted as witch Davina
Klaus going to New Orleans
Danielle Campbell will play Davina
Lead casting news (Marcel)
May use flashbacks
2 new witches
The Originals Plot
Elijah will be a lead, also casting 2 witches
Character: Camille
News from Julie Plec
Casting Call
Disfunctional family dynamics
TVD gets a spinoff
Creating a TVD spinoff
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Continuing from the discussion in the last thread: I probably shouldn't get into this but oh well.

I think it's ridiculous to say that Klaus "makes Caroline relevant." No single character can make another character relevant. What makes a character relevant is giving them their own POV, their own motivations, their own drive, their own storyline.

I agree that Caroline has nothing going on right now, or this season, and it sucks. But Tyler isn't the reason, and Klaus isn't the antidote. The reason is that the writers don't care enough about her character to give her the storylines she should be getting based on the themes that are coming up this season.

There are a whole BUNCH of ways in which they could give her a purpose, could have given her a purpose, right here and right now. The sire bond, for one thing. You're doing a storyline about Damon and the possibility that Elena's free will is compromised in her relationship with him - a storyline about DAMON and FREE WILL - and you're not giving Caroline a true voice but making her an SE shipper instead? Caroline, of all people? The girl who was repeatedly compelled and abused by Damon? That's criminal. It's awful. It's an absolute injustice to the character.

If the writers weren't so chicken**** about bringing up Damon's wrongdoings, if they didn't just want to brush them under the rug and forget about them, the sire bond storyline could have been a PERFECT moment to revisit Caroline's trauma with Damon, explore the real reason why she doesn't like Elena being with him, maybe explore her hurt that Elena could have befriended and gotten close to the guy who abused her. But no, because DE is more important.

But that's not the only thing they could have done. Let's take Klaus, since he comes up on here so often. Klaus's "flirtations" with Caroline DO NOT MAKE HER RELEVANT. If she exists just to be Klaus-bait and to flirt with him, that's not relevance, because we don't truly know how Caroline feels about it. The storyline is there for KLAUS, not for her.

The last episode actually showed the perfect way to keep Caroline in a relationship with Tyler, give them BOTH something to do TOGETHER, without ever doing Klaroline. How? By concentrating not on the SHIPPY part of the storyline, but the ABUSE. Caroline and Tyler have both been abused by Klaus. Not only that, being victims of abuse from others (including their fathers) is something they have in common and have bonded over in the past. And overcoming an abuser, together, could be a fascinating and worthwhile storyline for them. I agree 100% with Candice Accola that in fact, Klaroline has a lot of parallels to Damon-Caroline, except that Klaus is obsessed with Caroline in a way that Damon wasn't, but that doesn't stop him abusing her. Caroline's sort of been in denial about being able to "manage" Klaus until now, whereas Tyler's tried to fight back against him directly, but in the last episode they finally figured out a way to manipulate Klaus using his abusive tendencies and get him to save Caroline without asking him to do it.

So have the rest of their arc this season be about breaking free of Klaus's abuse. Delve into how Caroline feels about it, have her and Tyler working together to try and stop Klaus from controlling them, or negotiating with him or continuing to manipulate him so they can get their own way and break free of the grip he's imposed on their life where he treats them like pawns.

I'll just say it one more time: It's ridiculous to say that "Character A makes Character B relevant." Nothing makes a character relevant except the writers being interested in that character in their own right. The only thing making Caroline irrelevant now is that, universally, the writers care more about her abusers than about her.
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I think it's ridiculous to say that Klaus "makes Caroline relevant." No single character can make another character relevant.
Yes they can. She plays the role of Stefan's best friend, voice of reason, she supports Tyler, and she is willing to distract Klaus for them. Thus, the three of them all make her relevant. Usually this is how supporting characters become relevant in the first place, by having chemistry or a connection with the main characters. She's connected to a main character, a villain, and her boyfriend.

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What makes a character relevant is giving them their own POV, their own motivations, their own drive, their own storyline.
What's her storyline exactly? If her whole her point this season was to support these 3 characters, then they pretty much are making her relevant.
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Rebekah knows Klaus too well.

On a shallow note, Claire is too pretty.
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Rebekah knows Klaus too well.

On a shallow note, Claire is too pretty.
Haha yes, thank you Rebekah for putting them in check.
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Is it bad that the only thing I can think of after seeing the clip is:
Tyler's going to see pictures of Jeremy's chest.

rout345 I agree with everything you posted. the kc "ship" should be deconstructed, the abuse should be addressed and be an example of how a "no" is a "no" and not a "not now". but with all the spoilers and the fact that kc still have loads of scenes after this week's episode, I really fear they are going to use her as the cure to Klaus' manpain.
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But that's not the only thing they could have done. Let's take Klaus, since he comes up on here so often. Klaus's "flirtations" with Caroline DO NOT MAKE HER RELEVANT. If she exists just to be Klaus-bait and to flirt with him, that's not relevance, because we don't truly know how Caroline feels about it. The storyline is there for KLAUS, not for her.
exactly. it just turns her into a reluctant disney princess. sorry, for being repetitive. but it really upsets me.

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So have the rest of their arc this season be about breaking free of Klaus's abuse. Delve into how Caroline feels about it, have her and Tyler working together to try and stop Klaus from controlling them, or negotiating with him or continuing to manipulate him so they can get their own way and break free of the grip he's imposed on their life where he treats them like pawns.
it should be, but Trevino has not been on set since episode 14. so the abuser seems to win and get away with his abuse. It however seems strange that this whole arc would come to an end so quickly. maybe I'm being overdramatic, but what if they don't deconstruct the whole "special girl brings out the villain's humanity"? what if they are going there? again.
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Thanks for the webclip Karin

Why is Caroline staying in the house where Klaus could listen to the whole phone call? Now he knows that they have problems on the island and probably need his help. Sometimes
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Why is Caroline staying in the house where Klaus could listen to the whole call? Now he knows that they have problems on the island and probably need his help. Sometimes
the question is why she was still in the house in the morning? why didn't she leave even before the phone call? Unless they're implying she only woke up... still your question is relevant.
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Thanks for the webclip Karin

Why is Caroline staying in the house where Klaus could listen to the whole phone call? Now he knows that they have problems on the island and probably need his help. Sometimes
Maybe she thinks they won't need his help? She doesn't really look like she wants his help. Still stupid, since they probably will need his help, but most things on this show make sense.

I wonder why Klaus looks knocked out in that one still and in that one shot of the promo?

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the question is why she was still in the house in the morning? why didn't she leave even before the phone call? Unless they're implying she only woke up... still your question is relevant.
It was already morning when Tyler carried her back there and when Klaus gave her his blood, so it's probably not that long after she wakes up.
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