[jbshmdfb]

Originally Posted by Static Waves (View Post) For the sole reason that Josh is a Matthews, he is infinitely more important than Lucas will ever be. Like. Ever. It's too made the actor got in a horrible accident last year and was unable to be in more episodes in S2; hopefully they rectify that in S3.

I just hope they develop him more as a person as oppose to a love interest for Maya. Maybe that is what the flaw is with Lucas. Other than needing to be Riley's hero, I know nothing about Lucas except that he has a bad boy past because of his temper. We never met his family other than Pappy Joe. I feel like the moment we will get to know Lucas is when Riley/Lucas is broken up and he loses his cool and his past is fully explored. Because as long as he is in the pretty boy hero type role, he isn't going to get any depth.

[jediwands]

Originally Posted by Static Waves (View Post) I would be seriously ok with Riley/Farkle. But in that case, get rid of Lucas completely. He serves no purpose to me if he's not with a Matthews, as do most on the show that aren't linked to the Matthews or other legacy characters. Farkle will always matter to me because he's Minkus' son, and he's a character that actually has grown over time. Lucas is who I have no use for if he's not linked to Riley. #sorrynotsorry

^^^ You just hit my feelings exactly. I like Riley/Lucas and would also be fine with Riley/Farkle. Whatever happens, I'm cool with either one as long as it's developed nicely.

But you hit the nail on the head when you said the link has to be with a Mathews or other legacy characters. Very true.

I'm trying to remember how long it was until we got to know Topanga on BMW. It certainly wasn't right away. We got more and more of her backstory as she was linked more and more to Cory. I have a feeling the writers are waiting for Riley/Lucas to have a relationship that goes for more than one episode and is a bit more than casual and then we'll dive into Lucas more.

But you're right, if Lucas is not directly tied to Riley he is a character that's expendable based on the structure of this show. There's a reason why Maya and Josh were immediately thrown out there as a potential future couple... he's a MATTHEWS. It's also why Shawn was getting ready to be a father to Maya... linked strongly to the Matthews. Thus, I don't see Maya and Lucas ever being a romantic couple, ESPECIALLY since Lucas was linked to Riley from the start.

[jbshmdfb]

Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) I'm trying to remember how long it was until we got to know Topanga on BMW. It certainly wasn't right away. We got more and more of her backstory as she was linked more and more to Cory. I have a feeling the writers are waiting for Riley/Lucas to have a relationship that goes for more than one episode and is a bit more than casual and then we'll dive into Lucas more.

I feel like we did get to know Topanga very early into the series, it's why she stood out over Wendy, TK etc when it came to his other early love interest. Topanga had a strong unique personality right away.

[Static Waves]

Originally Posted by jbshmdfb (View Post) I just hope they develop him more as a person as oppose to a love interest for Maya. Maybe that is what the flaw is with Lucas. Other than needing to be Riley's hero, I know nothing about Lucas except that he has a bad boy past because of his temper. We never met his family other than Pappy Joe. I feel like the moment we will get to know Lucas is when Riley/Lucas is broken up and he loses his cool and his past is fully explored. Because as long as he is in the pretty boy hero type role, he isn't going to get any depth.

I will be thoroughly pissed if they only develop Josh as Maya's LI. Josh has more ties to everyone on the show that matters to me than Maya does. To me, he's one of the real links between BMW and GMW, because he was in BMW but will (or at least, should be) developed in GMW.

[fox24]

Yeah but Topanga was just the weird girl in Cory class whenever I rewatch s1. Her parents have been played by like 3 different actors. I didn't feel she developed until s4. I love Topanga a lot but I felt it took awhile for her character to get development


I hope josh gets development he's Cory little brother and the Matthews little miracle. I remember being a little girl praying for him to live

[Static Waves]

Josh almost dying as a kid should be brought up...add that to my list of storylines that I would like to see more than this useless triangle

[ღMitra]

I just don't buy into that there ever be the type of depth that BMW had on GMW. I just don't see it happening, and if I'm wrong then awesome!! I want to be wrong about that. But, I'm just not going to think about all these things that could happen and have them not happen The first step to me is to get rid of this triangle. Then focus on the characters.

They just haven't done a good job with showing any depth to Lucas. At all. It was interesting for a second with his past, but then he gets into this triangle and we don't even know how he feels. The writers better be definitive about his choice with Riley with reasons as to why, because if it's some BS reason then the triangle isn't over, and plus it just shows that they don't want Lucas to make up his mind. It would be like the writers not being able to make up their minds on Lucas as well. Agreed with you guys if Lucas has no connection to Riley, get rid of him. Pretty okay with Riley/Farkle...at least Farkle is a pretty developed character unlike Lucas.

Originally Posted by Alexa (View Post) I just dont think its right to say that any amount of grief/sadness someone feels one their family life is too much. Maybe for you its too much but it obviously matters a lot to Maya. And I like that it's been brought up in multiple episodes as it gives her character some more weight and explains her personality a lot. Im sorry you guys feel like Riley doesn't get as much focus but I just dont see it the way. I think she gets plenty of focus too and to me its very balanced. I just think that because Riley is upbeat and fun and outgoing it's not as noticeable. They need to give her a good meaty storyline though.

It's a character and it's a show. The fact that the show over exaggerates Maya's story over everyone else's doesn't make her more worthy of storylines than others. One person on a show can not be given weight and depth. Others have to be too. Otherwise don't call it an ensemble show. To me it isn't very balanced, and they should give everyone a good storyline versus throwing everyone into a half assed triangle. That doesn't make things balanced to me.

I dont see F/M as romantic yet, even though Farkel was "in love" with Riley at the start of the show. But I think the QUALITY of their scenes is the strongest BY FAR of any of the pairings on the show. And IMO it's definitely leading to something. Not sure what you mean by people being disappointed with the endgame, are you talking about L/R too? Because that pairing in season 1 was the cheesiest most cliche/expected pairing everrrr so if it ends with them how in the world would that ever be a "surprise"?

No. I am talking about the idea that none of these popular ships, L/R AND L/M are going to be endgame.

That would be pointless though? Like if they were always intending to do L/R then why even bring LM into it at all? Just to say "nah, just kidding" and go back to R/L? That makes zero sense. I think a lot of things go into it and sure, maybe a small part of the them wanted to please the fans but I think it has more to do with them seeing the chemistry between L/M on their own and wanting to explore that.

A lot of this show makes no sense, and that's not what I was saying either. LM to me again was brought into it because of fan pandering, and if they do decide to drop LM and never bring it up again - that'll prove it. And yeah, I will never agree that it was a small part of them that wanted to do that. First of all, Michael Jacobs has been around for a while...and for him to handle that triangle like that was the best he could do...no. It came out of nowhere and it could have been done a lot better. The way it could have been better was actually building it up and not failing it with trying to water down the couple they were forcing down everyone's throats in S1. I recall it being overbearing to others, as it was to me. However it also backfired on them because they didn't handle LM correctly at all.

Its the story YOU believe you are seeing. Others feel a lot differently. . I think it WAS the story they were telling but somewhere in season 2 they stopped telling it. I still feel like this show has a long way to go and things can change. LM can date later on or FR or even FM. Or any other option really. Time will tell.

Yeah, exactly. And it's the story YOU believe you are seeing as well, and also others feel a lot differently...as well. It's the same thing, two way street.

I just don't like the idea of them switching around like that regardless Like first off, it's a Disney show. They're going to fail at this. Hard. Disney is not what it used to be, and I still have to be proven otherwise that GMW has this reign of doing what they want to do.

Secondly, this isn't BWM. Things are very different in todays television. You dont see a lot of ONE PAIRING just being together and ending together like they had with zach/kelly on saved by the bell or sabrina/harvey and those older shows. Now days they switch pairings up a lot. And so many times the couple you think will end up together actually doesn't end up together. Even on disney shows.

Just because it doesn't happen, doesn't mean it can't happen. Like who cares. Let them just stick with one couple. This is a Disney show. They're not going to do triangles right. Even the shows who are known for their triangles failed too. Disney will fail even harder. They need to let it go.

They SAY L/R can talk and connect on that level, yet, we've never seen them have a deep conversation? Give me one scene other than the library that was like 5 seconds long? They say that L/R make each other better but they just argue all the time and fight. Maya was the one that was worried for lucas and Riley didnt seem to even care. IDK, I just dont see see how R/L have any substance other than in season 1 when it was just Riley goo goo eyes over Lucas? Thats also the thing, it feels like Lucas just THINKS hes should be with Riley.

I don't see anything towards Lucas/Maya either other than her making fun of him, suddenly looking deep into his eyes and them magically having substance when they haven't had any solo scenes between them except for the campfire...and again - to me they ruined it. Maybe they should have started in S1 with them caring about each other and actually having scenes where it looks like it was build up. I just don't see it, and no one's going to change my mind again so the convo about this is a lost cause.

I don't give the GMW that much credit. I don't think it's even possible to speculate what Lucas is thinking, when we haven't even really had any scenes with him saying what he's thinking. If the spoilers are right, how can they even go back to LM? It'll just be a complete disaster. They just need to make up their minds, end of. If it's going to me Lucas/Riley, make it Lucas/Riley. This isn't Dawson's Creek and mostly no one wants it to be. And again secondly, this is on Disney. They will not be able to pull it off. I don't care how many times people will fool themselves thinking it's different this time because Michael Jacobs is involved. No. This is not a show on ABC Family/Freeform, the only way it will be is if they move it to another channel. Which they most likely will also not too.

[tvgirl94]

Yeah, I don't believe that Riley/Lucas will be together at the end, but I also can't see the show ending with Riley/Farkle and Maya/Lucas both together. If one of the pairings at the end of GMW is Riley/Farkle or Maya/Lucas, then I believe that only one of those pairings will end up together and not both.

I think people forget that technically Cory/Topanga were the only definite couple at the end of BMW (of the group of friends). If I recall, the BMW finale was more about platonic relationships than romantic ones. As much as I love Shawn/Angela and wish that things turned out better for them, BMW ended their storyline the way they did because it was more important for the show that Shawn ended up in New York with Cory than with Angela. Similarly, Maya/Riley are the only definite endgame relationship of the group of friends. At the end of the day, this is why I could see neither girl ending up with Lucas.

[tvgirl94]

Double Post.

[Static Waves]

But if neither girl ends up with Lucas, he should be killed off or ushered off the show. He offers me literally zero purpose then. He barely offers me any purpose when he's paired with Maya...if he's paired with neither??

Give his screentime to Josh Matthews.

[Alexa]

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[Alexa]

Again, LM had a lot of scenes in season 1 and some scenes where it was very obvious they were flirting. Unlike RL who just said they liked each other and made google eyes at each other but never had a deep conversation whatsoever.

If the spoilers are right, how can they even go back to LM?

Umm lets see. R/L realize they dont work and are boring together. They break up. A few years later Lucas/Maya develop again? Riley doesnt care because she doesnt have feelings for him anymore. That's how.



I think even if they took their time with the triangle people would still find a way to say it was forced or out of nowhere or whatever other crap they say.

Personally i see Riarkle being endgame and thats about it.

I dont like triangles either and I wish it hadnt been done that way at all, Id rather have LM without Riley being involved whatsoever, but ill take what I can get I suppose. However now that hes chosen Riley (or will) I hope that when it comes back to LM it'll be done the right way, without Riley...

New thread time.

[ღMitra]

LOL, everyone shares different opinions. Why are you so mad? I'm not even trying to change your mind so I'm not sure what's going on with the attitude. It's just a show, and that was also a rhetorical question. For me it is eye roll worthy the same way it is for you with people thinking that LM can work if they go with RL, and vice versa. Apparently things can't be a two way street tho.

[Alexa]

Who said i was mad? I'm not mad at all. lol

You are right that its a show. Things change all the time though on tv, so trying to say things 'wont happen' is a bit silly to me.

[Alexa]

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