Katiegg108

She just said that she never loved Chris... that she's only ever loved Luke. And I could get over her sleeping with him in Partings if she stuck true to watch she said in that car afterwards... but, unless DR makes it painfully clear that Lorelai doesn't love Chris and makes it clear very often, anything that CL have will, imo, negate LL...

but i'm in for this ****ing journey, I can't get off of this train... or ship is probably a better term to use. I just can't stop watching and caring and hoping, and yes, complaining. And I don't hate CL ,I've always liked their scenes...but I love LL so much and the idea of CL NOW bothers me so much. Maybe it will be clear where Lorelai's heart is the whole time, and besides that that would be so bad for Chris, it would be much better imo, then having to see CL all totally in love, because that would ruin a ton of LL, maybe not all 6 years, but at least these last two years.

WhiteChocMocha

Rory was not only a part of her life long before Luke appeared, but also Lorelai's flesh and blood. Can't argue with Luke putting April first. Newcomer or not.

ETA: I'm looking forward to more Studio 60 since I liked the Pilot a lot.

TheJSW

Hawk, you sir, are a dicotomy. I disagree with everything you implied about the LLC. Like everyone else, it's tired, it's played out, and I find it too limiting in relation to the human condition of this show.

So you watched Studio 60 and were entertained? Good for you. You know what the show is about right? It's the idealistic view of two friends (Schlamme and Sorkin) about something they love...TV. Notice how in the pilot, Sorkin already set-up issues for the journey Matt and Danny have ahead of them over the next TWO-YEARS. Being entertained is fun and all, but sometimes these people writing certain shows strive for more. They strive more for an EXPERIENCE than ENTERTAINMENT. If you want to get your kicks off...good for you. But it shoehorns any show into a bind by constantly having to ENTERTAIN YOU. Which is not what most shows that are quality...are about. They are about writing something and creating something that LAST, that matters, that gets the audience involved, and not making their show a passive experience. We are in a GOLDEN AGE OF TELEVISION. Expecting or assuming to be entertained now days...miss the point of a GOLDEN AGE all together.

ETA: Katie, it all goes back to the TAKING THING TO LITERALLY point. Yes, Lorelai said she has only loved Luke, but that LOVE IS DEAD TO HER. She believes that's gone. She loved, she lost, but she decides to move on to second best. Again, I loved one woman, a lot, but I loved and lost. Do I pine forever? Or do I move on? Who cares if LC do not last. It's not about the lasting, but about the effects.

Wheredidtheanvilsgo?

If they are not writing for the audience then who are they writing for?? It's all about selling a product. And to do that they have to make it desirable and attractive to the buyers. Thats how I see it.. Is it possible that these writer are doing it because they believe its good tv? I seriuosly have my doubts that these writers are deep thinkers planning this "journey" because they believe its whats true to the characters. Or not.. whatever. I just think they write what they please and what they believe is going to keep the audience and call it good tv. And I am not saying this because I'm not happy with the L/C thing. I honestly think this is the case in all tv. They write what they think good tv.. makes sense since they are trying to sell a product. We are merely the people who are supposed to buy their product. Nothing else!!

xmonalpx

I don't think its about attracting audience, unless if its from a financial standpoint or business standpoint. And if that is the case, why are they going against the majority and picking Lorelai/Chris for this season? Especially on a new network.

But if it is from a creative standpoint then this makes sence. I mean Lorelai and Chris are just too clingy and believe they need each other, although they end up horrible. They are bad for each other, but thats what makes for INTERESTING television. Not neceserily favorable.

ds44

"TV is not their to Entertain you " Wow that's a new one. What's next TV stops the spread of Cancer?

xmonalpx

What is t.v for then? I guess its for dissapointment, and regret for ever starting to watch.

voncey

There's a new Casting Notice up at Now Casting -- posted today. Anyone have access?

ETA: And I think there's a new side for "Waiter" at Showfax.

Captain Hawkeye

And Lulu & Babette's cat having more influence on the date?

Bootie

From NowCasting:

Ciaobella

Don't tell me. It's for the Justice of the Peace. Or Priest. Why not?

Whew. Another bullet averted. Thanks Bootie.

carolav

I am sorry Captain, I am sure that almost no men could understand that, but Luke should understand what was happening... Luke should know that something was wrong, Lorelai was ridiculous hiding all those feelings from Luke but Luke was blind thinking that everything was ok.. If you see again the moment when Lorelai was putting the bag that Anna gave Luke on the Luke's car... You could see easily the discomfort in her face! Maybe I am wrong but as a woman I could say that it is a typical female behavior... She says nothing or she says something that is not more than an acting to find a man's reaction... I know that some women are going to say that I am wrong... I'd like to think that mostly the female mind works in a clear way but that is not our nature! Sorry!

PS: To the women thinking that I am wrong.. please check in your mind how have you been with your male friends, boyfriends, husbands, sons, etc, before!

TheJSW

Genki, it's not there to entertain any of us. It's there to sell us...PRODUCT! The entertaining, challenging, life-affirming, and all the other stuff is a side effect of selling us STUFF. You know what it's there for? ADVERTISING. That it's the most fascinating and artistic creative medium currently...is a by-product of all of that AD REVENUE!

Anvils, you are essentially assuming the lamest argument in the entire internet. You are not lame. The argument is lame. You are assuming that writers spend all this time and their lives, not giving a **** about what they produce (even the ****tiest writer is somewhat proud of getting his **** produced...as well as amazed.). Well, a guy did heroine, speed, and cocaine, and he still gave a **** about writing for ALF and for MOONLIGHTING. This is their profession. Unlike most professions, their SUCKING, can keep them from being employeed. If they do not give a ****. They get sacked and get to write screenplays and scripts that get stacked in a desk.

They also write because they love telling a good story (or a crappy story that pays them enough for an addition to their house.). Rosenthal brought up the JOURNEY in July. ASP brought up the JOURNEY a few times. When you make it a JOURNEY. When it's about the characters moving from one place to the next in their lives or their professions or their relationships. The results are interesting and MEANINGFUL (most of the time...even lightning strikes.) TV. Since shows without the journey do not always take one action and have it mean something six to seven years later. Shows like GG, like ROME, like 24, like LOST, like Veronica Mars, like the BOONDOCKS, like Family Guy, like Arrested Development, like All in the Family, and so on are being written (or have been written) by people that want to create good tv but also give a damn about the stories they are telling. Unlike the people who write Nip/Tuck. They are only interested in seeing Julian McMahon's ass...FOLKS!

ETA: Carol, why is it that you assume that the man should make the woman in his life the sole focus of his existance? Sometimes, men, do not pick-up on signals. Implying that we have to pick up on your signals. When your signals are different from my signals inherently via mother nature...is a bit too much for me to accept.

Katiegg108

is this waiter the same waiter that was just added to the 7.07 sides? *waits for someone with side access*

Bootie

It's parent's weekend - L/C take a Rory's "gang" out to a fancy french restaurant - Bill, Raj, Sheila, AK, Paris and Joni. Lorelai's going at it with the fake french accent, Chris is rambling on to one of the "gang" and is oblivious to the fact Rory's not really in tight with this group.