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Stelena&Bamon 06-18-2015 03:04 PM

In the 52, a future Barry reeks havoc and Patty isn't able to separate present Barry from the other version of himself. And that's what I think the hint of jail will be in the upcoming season.

How did the 80's storyline go?

Leelala 06-18-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stelena&Bamon (Post 82053885)
It's focused on comic canon. S1 was basically simplified Flash Rebirth from the pilot I knew Future Barry saved his kid self, Wells was Reverse, Eddie was his descendant because he's following the comics.

Patty/Wendy is another example of that fulfilment, Patty and Barry do have a relationship in the comics and it does end.

Barry and Iris are the future, they aren't the now and that's where the worry lies with some people, you can only deal with what you have in front of you, but the big picture is Barry and Iris are each other's futures, they are just on a journey to each other. They will be together most likely end of S2/S3 and rightfully so.

There is so much to flesh out before they get together, especially Iris who is a rich character. Even if the crazies flock to Patty it doesn't matter. It really doesn't. It will be nothing but baiting like with Caitlin and Barry. But at the end of the day, who did Caitlin kiss? Hannibal Bates. Was Barry involved in anyway? No. Too busy whispering "Iris" when Grodd was mind controlling him because she is his anchor. And where is Caitlin now? Married. And who did Barry love before he knew what the word love meant? Iris West.

I'm actually impressed because at least Patty is canon. The only downside is female characters being used solely to bluster Barry and compete against one another.

Random point: That shot of Barry in prison, was another hint at the 52.

I'm one of those people who at times gets concerned and worried… Reading things like this make me feel better though ;) :hug:

ParsD 06-18-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stelena&Bamon (Post 82054269)
In the 52, a future Barry reeks havoc and Patty isn't able to separate present Barry from the other version of himself. And that's what I think the hint of jail will be in the upcoming season.

Even if they stick to New52, Iris will be sidelined. Patty has been the leading female character in that series, there are issues that have no Iris at all. I'm sure Iris will have some part to play in the season and WA is endgame, but sidelining her in the meantime is a very legit fear. And everything I've heard seems to point this way (Laurel s2 plot, Grant forgetting she existed when talking about STAR team/Barry's friends, Joe's new cop buddy being a major LI for Barry...)

CW made the writers change direction post-0.9 to reduce Iris to the barest of minimums, and despite our better hopes, it looks like that still remains. CW dga about promoting CP and that's a big issue.

LunaSolTierra 06-18-2015 03:58 PM

I think they are just trying to level the plain field. Iris was in a serious relationship with Eddie, now they want to do the same with Barry. I also think that they want to give Barry a serious relationship before being with Iris, it seems that she's the only other woman that has being a love interest to Barry so they are getting that out of the way before giving us westallen completely. I mean dating, officially being boyfriend and girlfriend, moving in together, marriage and maybe kids at the end. It's going to be a slow burn but it's going to be epic.

ParsD 06-18-2015 04:31 PM

If they wanted to redo Eddie/Iris for Barry, they would've had him start dating Patty during the 5month leap. Instead we get to see them meet and slowly become attracted. I predict a mid season hook up/official date. The actress will probably get upgraded to regular and become Barry's major LI for s2/3 (while WA gets occasionally teased).

They wouldn't bother trying to recreate Felicity's magic if Patty was going to temporary. Yawn.

Leelala 06-18-2015 04:40 PM

Do we know that they wont have Barry/Patty meet during the 5 month gap? has it been confirmed??

Stelena&Bamon 06-18-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leelala (Post 82054424)
I'm one of those people who at times gets concerned and worried… Reading things like this make me feel better though ;) :hug:

No worries :hug:

It's normal for people to be concerned and hesitant.

We still don't know how much of a role she'll playing I'm just not going to jump the gun until we get much more spoilers and confirmation.

Barry and Patty are said to meet episode 2. Patty isn't the only character getting introduced, we've got so much to deal with Iris, Ronnie, Caitlin and Cisco.

Hiatus makes everyone stir crazy lol.

I'm happy for a single Iris, who knows the secret and can finally interact with people who aren't Eddie and Barry. Iris and love interest are two words I don't want in the same sentence.

BeautifulContradiction 06-18-2015 05:53 PM

Hellatus! :sigh: SDCC will reveal elements of 2A.

Whatever will be will be. My panties aren't in a wad :lol: I'm ready for whatever is to come tbh.

The Flash is basically Brightest Day/Flash Rebirth with a little of the New 52 sprinkled in there!

Patty's arrival doesn't equal insta female lead.

london grammar 06-18-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ParsD (Post 82055455)
If they wanted to redo Eddie/Iris for Barry, they would've had him start dating Patty during the 5month leap. Instead we get to see them meet and slowly become attracted. I predict a mid season hook up/official date. The actress will probably get upgraded to regular and become Barry's major LI for s2/3 (while WA gets occasionally teased).

They wouldn't bother trying to recreate Felicity's magic if Patty was going to temporary. Yawn.

Exactly. Iris is going to be an afterthought.

Roswell Dream Girl 06-18-2015 08:10 PM

Any new spoilers?

ParsD 06-18-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BeautifulContradiction (Post 82056551)
Patty's arrival doesn't equal insta female lead.

No, but in this case she's certainly getting groomed for it.

I remember an interview with the GG execs once about temporary LI (and that show had a ton) and they talked about how they always have to make sure the new character doesn't outshine their lead, otherwise it would be a disservice to the lead/actor. That just seems like common sense.

Now consider Felicity 2.0, already manufactured to emulate who the EPs/CW consider the "most popular" character in Flarrow verse. She's a badass cop, but she's also science minded and super smart, Barry's nerdy match, and already has a huge crush on him which will endear to Barry fangirls/boys. On top of all that, she's already set up to be better integrated into the show/main plots than the actual female lead.

Unless casting goes terribly amiss, Patty is deliberately set up to be better liked than Iris, and that's leaving out the race side of the issue. She's promoted as Flash's Felicity and that says it all.

scarletspuffyfan 06-18-2015 08:53 PM

yeah- the extraneous love interests on GG were always incredibly short-lived. i don't think anyone ever had a relationship with a non-regular on that show that lasted longer than 3-4 episodes.

but Berlanti and Co. seem to like bringing in people every new season who either never leave, or stick around for the entire year at a minimum. i'm going by the Arrow history here to look at what we're in for (Sara and Ray- other love interests who stuck around forever and had their own storylines).

Patty's coming on for good, i'm afraid. her and Barry will probably be together all season at least, which to me is an interminably long time on a network show. the saving grace (maybe) is that unlike Sara and Ray, she's not a superhero in her own right, but just the fact that they changed her job so that she's a freaking cop AND joe's partner sets her up to suck up a whole lot of main story screentime that could otherwise, idk, be going to a REGULAR.

we're just going to have to be really, really patient. i'm not great at that, because when i'm just waiting for something else to happen i tend not to enjoy what's actually going on in the moment. and right now, the prospect of waiting a YEAR to see what i want to see happen is kind of despairing.

ParsD 06-18-2015 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scarletspuffyfan (Post 82059287)
yeah- the extraneous love interests on GG were always incredibly short-lived. i don't think anyone ever had a relationship with a non-regular on that show that lasted longer than 3-4 episodes.

The one they were talking about was Aaron who lasted almost half a season.

No show runner goes out of their way to disservice their leads, it'd be senseless. Ray was not there to outshine Oliver, just like how Sara wasn't there to outshine Felicity. Some people like Ray better than Oliver, but that's a whole other issue. The issue with Iris/Patty is more analogous to Laurel/Felicity, except this time it's intentional.

SydneyO 06-18-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LunaSolTierra (Post 82054955)
I think they are just trying to level the plain field. Iris was in a serious relationship with Eddie, now they want to do the same with Barry. I also think that they want to give Barry a serious relationship before being with Iris, it seems that she's the only other woman that has being a love interest to Barry so they are getting that out of the way before giving us westallen completely. I mean dating, officially being boyfriend and girlfriend, moving in together, marriage and maybe kids at the end. It's going to be a slow burn but it's going to be epic.

Agreed. But I also think they're bringing in Patty as a way to show us Iris' POV and have her pining for Barry. Once they put westallen together I don't see them having any messy break ups, so they're dragging it out as long as possible. I don't think they'll be together until mid season 3.

Its weird that Candice said they're going to have Iris grieve Eddie because it's important for fans to like Iris...I'm like what?! Eddie wasn't an important character and majority of people couldn't care less about him. Eddie only got semi relevant after he died. I don't think Iris not mourning Eddie for half the season is going to make the audience dislike her.

scarletspuffyfan 06-18-2015 09:52 PM

you're right on that. leaving her in mourning for longer than a couple of episodes will more than likely do her a disservice if anything. it'd be different if the audience cared about Eddie, but i'm sorry, no one does.

the other thing that just bugs me really hard is that for decades Patty Spivot was a minor character whose crush on Barry goes absolutely unrequited because he will never love or be with anyone but Iris. they're never a couple, ever until this new 52 series.

yet on the show, not only does she get to be with him, but she gets to have him first, and be his first serious relationship ever. that just really bothers me for some reason. it feels untrue to the spirit of the comics overall. why does the new 52 have to overshadow 45+ years of history? i'd actually prefer it if she was a totally made up character.


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