No, she wasn't rude to him but she rejected him by pulling the trigger. Despite the fact that he took the bullets out in case she did opt to turn against him, I think he still wasn't sure whether she would or not, in view of what they shared. And when she made the choice to indeed do just that and not walk away and be 'blind, he hated it because he despised rejection. To my opinion that was the sole reason he wanted to kill her and kept threatening to do so, although I don't think he'd go through with it. I saw him as someone who longed for someone who would accept him for what and who he was. And Alana wouldn't do that.

I think she did move on and rose above the situation to a great extent. The fact that she accepted Chilton's offer and chose to remain involved with the case was just another way to prove to herself that she could face the 'demons', difficult as it was. Being involved in the FBI as she was, it would be a defeat for her to withdraw from the matter completely and focus on everything else but Hannibal. Just my personal opinion but from the two, I think she's the one who has really moved on and away from him in the end. Margot has got a lot to do with that, of course.

Furthermore, she remained involved because in a big sense of the way she was still looking out for Will and trying to protect him from Hannibal. She knew very well that if the opportunity would arise, Will would be tempted to take that final plunge with Hannibal. And that was eventually exactly what happened.

@ Ilda: Yes, his jumping between wanting to 'eliminate' Hannibal and any further harm he might cause, and the constant conflicting emotions, plus bromance, on the other side, was getting on my nerves, too. From highly upset at his family's ordeal with Dolarhyde, to getting in the car with Hannibal and indirectly supporting him in whatever he chose to do, was just too much of a paradox.

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No, like I've said, shooting him was not about rudeness. It was about the good inner self, and making the right decision. When she made the decision to shoot him, it wasn't because he was coming at her with knives. It was because she realized at that moment that he was a killer, in the process of killing Jack. When he placed her before the ultimatum of walking away, or be killed, she realized that he wouldn't hesitate to kill her, too. He only came after her with a knife after she had pulled the trigger already. If she had turned around there and walked away, it would've been a total different scenario. So, totally agree with you. I'm not saying it was rude of her to act the way she did. I'm saying he had his doubts as to whether she would indeed turn against him the moment she saw him for who he was. And when she did, he didn't like it, although he did anticipate it. She absolutely acted out of instinct to save herself and Jack, but mostly because she wouldn't choose the 'dark' route and succumb to his manipulation.


I didn't perceive Hannibal to end their relationship. It ended in the kitchen only, when she saw him for who he was and decided to pull the trigger. The fact that he said "so this is it" on the chair in his office, was his way of probing into her mind as to what she intended to do next re their relationship. He literally asked her there if she intended to go on with him, or walk away due to the doubt Will has placed in her mind. There's now way he'd imply to her that he was indeed the killer. To my opinion it was indeed rejection. She blatantly rejected him when she decided not to be "blind" and do what she felt was right, despite her deep feelings for him.

Yes, for sure he wanted someone who would accept him for who he was. Hannibal is a narcissist. So yes, he would truly be pleased if his partner chose to be 'blind' and place him first and foremost in her life despite everything. The fact that he told Alana, "You died in the kitchen, Alana. When you chose to be brave", is solid prove to that. He knew very well that he took the bullets from the gun. So at that stage it wasn't about the knowing that she'd kill him, but rather the fact that she chose to pull the trigger and turn against him. His expression spoke volumes when she pulled that trigger.

That's also exactly why he was so set to swing Will his way, from a friendship perspective. He wanted a friend who'd accept him as he is. And he saw Will's refusal to do so in the beginning as betrayal, hence their clash.

Same can be said about Abigail - manipulating her into accepting what he was doing and going along with it. Although, I do believe Abigail also wanted to be there, was willingly being manipulated.

Bedelia was with him because she wanted to be. I do not believe for one second that she was there under pressure or that she was being forced/drugged or whatever. And she even knew very well that Hannibal wanted to eat her. But she played him, very cleverly, right from the beginning. She knew that they'd catch him, eventually. By going with him and playing him the way she did, she prevented him from coming for her directly after he nearly wiped everyone else in the S2 finale. Furthermore, by playing along, she knew that they (the FBI) wouldn't have anything on her as his psychologist, i.e. not be able to say she knew about his killings and didn't do/say anything to prevent it. Chances were that he had confessed in her, and he did, we know that. She knew they (FBI) would also realize that. At that stage when he took her with him, he needed her, as his 'wife', to bluff people and minimize suspicion. So, her coming along and playing along suited him fine. And she has not yet served her purpose. But he knew he'd kill her as soon as he was finished with her. And so did she.

Exactly. Hannibal didn't choose to have her killed/mutilated rather than Chilton because he still cared for her, cheesy as it may sound. I however have my doubts as to what her feelings/intentions for him/towards him was. Revenge maybe? Referring to the keys to his "freedom" was to my opinion not a reference to literal freedom but rather his psychological well-being. She would be very naive to want to him to be free in the true/literal sense of the way. Alana knew she was the one and only person who truly knew Hannibal psychologically. Not even Bedelia knew him on the level she did, his psychologist or not. Bedelia thought she did, but she didn't.

True. She was definitely not truly indifferent to him, but she has definitely moved on, away from him. I see it differently. If you fall off a horse and never get on again, you'll never truly overcome that fear of getting hurt again. And that's what she did. She faced her fears by staying involved. But I don't think she'd want him back. Never in a million years. The good inner Alana is just too strong and overpowering in her personality. And besides, she is a changed person in S3. Although not able to close her feelings like a tap, she does know not to follow her emotions pertaining to Hannibal anymore because they deceived her so miserably in the past.


No, she wouldn't. But walking away and focusing on lecturing only, wouldn't be enough. She needed more. We know Hannibal was very much interested in her, not for her exceptional good looks only, but because he regarded her as his equal intellectually. She interested him, mostly. So, I see Alana as much more than a sober-headed lass who's content with a quiet, mediocre life where everything's in place.


Yes, he did choose to seek revenge. And Alana knew that Will's psychological state was everything but sound and healthy. And that he would be swayed by someone as manipulative as Hannibal sooner or later. Hannibal was very set to achieve specific things with Will right from the start. And in the end he did. Although Alana did not know that Hannibal was the killer, she was intelligent enough to realize and see Hannibal's influence on him, which was obviously not positive. That's why she asked Hannibal directly if he thought his therapy was helping Will. She was obviously already doubting Hannibal more there than what she cared to admit.

Because at that stage he was already so deeply entangled in Hannibal's fine web of manipulation, he didn't realize it himself. Just as Bedelia was no match for Hannibal, he wasn't either.

I agree. He WANTED to be manipulated and that's what swayed me away from him eventually. He knew who and what Hannibal was and yet he still kept nurturing his obsession with him.


I do think to a certain degree he didn't want the world to know that he was slowly but surely losing the battle and that he was being manipulated willfully to become someone else. He tried to conceal his true feelings for Hannibal and he succeeded up to a point. But the moment he decided to literally join Hannibal in S3, his support became direct. Not even his wife and child mattered to him anymore. Guess that's what happens when you dance with the devil.

I'll always have a soft spot for Will and I still think he and Alana was a much better match than she and Hannibal. But that's what makes this story line so interesting. It never goes the way one would've liked it to.


(Phew, rant over. Sorry for being a little harsh about it. I blame TV-Will (the character) for it. Book and movies-Will made a lot more sense in my eyes)

Enjoyed talking with you.

Please don't tell me I scared you away...

Never. I enjoy debating. And I like reading others' perspectives. How boring life would be if we all saw everything the same.

Not many Hannibloom fans around anymore. So we'll have to stick together.

I'm off today. So I'm taking my son to the movies. Have an awesome day.

It certainly would be

We're one more person now than we were when I took a break from posting, so we need to keep you around

Enjoy your time with your son and have an excellent day. What will you guys be seeing?

Thank you! I think we'll go for The Martian. I'm not a huge fan of Matt Damon but he's a good actor.

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We joked a lot about the sex scenes in the past, didn't we? I see your point Claire about it being extremely awkward but they're professionals. It's their job to not let it seem awkward and it worked. I don't know about others but I never saw Mads and Caroline being awkward instead of Hannibal and Alana being intimate and enjoying it. As for one of them at least being aroused... I think they could be. And it would make things even more awkward because it can't be hidden.

Precisely my point. Doing their jobs as professionals in these scenes comes as naturally to them as it does to anyone else in their jobs. To do love scenes and become worked up every time, WILL be awkward and I just don't think it happens. No, Mads and Caroline never seemed awkward, like I've said in my initial post. Hence my amusement with the myriad posts believing otherwise. If one of them, or any other actor/actress for that matter doing such scenes, did indeed become worked up, they must be REALLY 'untouched' by/immune to having 10 cameras right in their faces. That's a very good recipe for total impotence on the scene if you ask me.

I honestly can't remember exactly what had been said last year, but I do remember Jazmine saying the actors wear a sort of undies to cover themselves in the filming of love/nude scenes which makes sense. I personally think it would be awkward because it was filmed as an erotic scene. The other two sex scenes we've seen (with different couples) never seemed as erotic to me. Those, I can see how it wouldn't be awkward but Caroline laying on her back under her co-star or tossing herself side to side and up and down while seemingly riding Mads, was extremely erotic and that's why it could be awkward. Not "oh bleep I got hard, I need 5 minutes" kind of awkward necessarily but more of a "looking at the spot on the ceiling while the filming goes on" kind of awkward.

Besides our comments last year were fueled by our preferred ship having been made cannon and had a bunch of sex scenes to boot (ignoring the weird 5way, that was just too weird to gush about) so we were on a high

I'm not necessarily referring to discussions here but also to similar ones on other forums. The ones here I read with a smile as it was clear that most of them were actually just joking around. And it IS something to joke about I don't blame people for that. One can't help wondering about it.

If I look at some of Mads' other movies with sex scenes in it, I do think these scenes must've been very mediocre, almost boring, to him though. Same with Caroline. Especially seeing that they wore some sort of undies. With some of the scenes in his other movies, there is no way he wore anything. So, those scenes required real 'skill' .

Agree with you that there may be a "stare at the ceiling" awkwardness between actors/actresses. For sure. That wouldn't be something I'd look forward to if I was an actress.

Gosh yes, that 5-way scene was beyond weird. Spoiled it completely for me.