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Old 04-04-2017, 12:55 AM
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I watched Buffy on Netflix. I binged watched season 1 in honor of the 20th.

I was so upset when I found out that you could watch all 7 seasons and I was upset that I couldn't watch all 7 seasons due to netflix cutting it on April 1st

Oh well I still pressed on. I tried to watch as much as I could.

Over the years I missed a lot of the early seasons. I was in high school when Buffy was on and the series ended when I was a junior in college.

I watched all of season one. Then I skipped and watched highlights from season 2,3,4,5,6, and 7.

I bawled my eyes out over the great moments in Buffy like the end of season 2 and the end of season 5. As well as the amazing Spike and Buffy scenes in season 6 and 7.

Spike and Buffy was one of the most profound love stories. Very dark and scary. Watching season 1 really set up what Buffy was. The whole show was dark and scary. One vampires rome the earth, two the school is on the hell mouth, and three Supernatural forces are everywhere.

High school is scary enough but in Sunnydale it took on a whole new meaning.

As Giles puts it so eloquently to Xander in the pilot after Jessie is turned into a vampire.



The thing that killed him. This is Spike. William the Bloody. The vampire who slayed the slayers and everyone along his way. Spike took the jabs he got in his human life and turned the jokes of people wanting to jam a rail road spike into their heads after hearing his awful poetry and his failure with girls into a living nightmare.

When Spike became a Vampire that all changed. He is no longer the babbling love sick boy. He became sired to Druclia a beautiful sexy woman who turned him and he became the thing of peoples worst nightmares. He used railroad spikes as a way to toucher his victims before he drained them. He was William the Bloody for a reason.

The thing I loved about the love story between Spike and Buffy was the more Spike wanted to become human the more he feel in love with Buffy. We saw glimpse of the babbling man who wanted to write a beautiful poem in order to get the gorgeous girl.

How he wanted to take her out on a "date", brought her flowers when he Mom died, or just sat with her on her back porch because she was in pain.

Even when he got the chip that caused him pain when he tried to turn into a vampire deep inside he still was a vampire at heart.

Buffy was strong from the beginning but like Spike was an outsider. The girl who had the deep dark secret of being a slayer. Buffy was popular and well liked but under it all she felt the burden of life. So many lives lost so much pain felt over her calling. She was called to defend the weak but at times she was weak as well. She also died twice and was in her own personal living hell when she was brought back from the dead. She had to learn what it was like to live again and to love again.



When Spike attacks Buffy in season 6 He is still deep down a vampire a soulless creature who main mission is to destroy. Hence William the Bloody comes out. Buffy's strong as she is fights him but is so damaged emotionally after he attacks her that she almost forgets that Spike is not human and still deep down inside is a Vampire. Her own living hell is now a reality once again. Once again she is reminded she is not a normal girl but the Sayer.

Hence why the act Spike commits has to be so horrific that he begs to get his soul back so he can prove to Buffy that deep down he is not this monster but a man worthy of her love.

To me that says it all as to why the love between Buffy and Spike was more epic in some ways then Angel. Angel soul was take away and he was a very nice and helpful person but when his soul is restored we see the evil inside of him. Like a fallen angel his true colors shine.

I don't hate Angel I was a Angel Buffy fan in the beginning. Yes I know I know. Then that all changed after I saw Touched, End Of Days, and Chosen. (Like I said I missed a lot of some seasons due to school. Then I caught up years later.) Touched, End Of Days, and Chosen I remember watching on TV. I was blown away by Spikes I love you speech. However the one that hit home for me and made me a Spike and Buffy fan was "Last night was the best night of my life" speech. I remember tearing up over that scene. Chosen I remember how I couldn't believe how Buffy was willing to stay and die with Spike when he was telling her to go. It was such a beautiful moment and it was something I never saw her do for Angel.

For me the story of Buffy and Spike was more mature love story. I remember falling in love with them and rooting for them. It was a beautiful story of two people finding the good and bad in one another and still loving one another anyway. It was a story about redemption and humanity. Which is why the soul burns at the end. Buffy and Spike are the twin flams who saved the earth but they also saved each other.

In the 1992 movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer we had Buffy and Pike. In the TV show it was Buffy and Spike. Considance I think not.

Sorry for the babbling post and for going on and on but 20 years later Buffy still hits a cord like no other.
Beautifully said.

Joss has said they have mature love too.

I love reading long posts about Spuffy & thought/opinions.

I've wrote even longer than you.
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When I'm not posting spree, I'll read that whole post cause I love reading long posts as well.
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Wow I finally read the whole post from Roswell 10/2/00 and so point on. Completely agree!
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Aw thank you guys! It was from the heart! What can I say it is the writer in me.

After rewatched some of Buffy for the 20th I had to post.

Some of the cast during the 20th reunion say that the Spike and Buffy relationship was unhealthy and abusive? Do you think that was true?

What made you fall in love with Buffy and Spike?
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The moment that I started shipping them was at the end of Fool For Love. It was such a beautiful powerful moment. He was the Big Bad, soulless killer, the slayer of slayers, but one look at her crying face and he couldn't do it. The way he looked at her (allow me to take moment to appreciate JM's acting) how he sat down with her and tried to comfort her. And she let him.

I just always loved how much he loved her.
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:12 PM
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Aw thank you guys! It was from the heart! What can I say it is the writer in me.

After rewatched some of Buffy for the 20th I had to post.

Some of the cast during the 20th reunion say that the Spike and Buffy relationship was unhealthy and abusive? Do you think that was true?

What made you fall in love with Buffy and Spike?
JM was talking about during the show. I wonder if something got cut b/c now he says Spuffy are together & said he thought Spike was better for Buffy at least 3 years.




Facts James gets wrong: Fury is the only one that even changed his mind about Spuffy. He didn't think they should be together Season 6. and later pitched an idea to Joss that included Spuffy together at the end of ATS. Jane never stopped shipping them. I would call her the orig. Spuffy shipper. At least out of the writers. So that's another thing he got wrong. All BTVS writers including Joss were for Spuffy by the end of Season 7. Most even before.

In a new interview he even said this. That Spike wasn't ready for Buffy at the end to show but now has had time to become the man she deserves.

That's all I know that was brought up about the relationship being unhealthy nothing about abusive except from most anti shippers.

SMG is getting harassed just b/c her being Team Angel.



Well she had fan mail calling her bitch for not loving Spike Season 6.

Joss is for Spuffy you can tell more than Bangel.

He basically said Spike is Buffy long haul guy.

Every interview the last few years before this he chose Spike.

I'm honestly sick of this whole so called triangle.

It's fictional couples.

It's crazy but true that Spuffy were an UC ship from the start & became the most pop. one.

This shipper war has gone almost 20 years. I'm sure it will never end.

I fell hard for Spuffy when Spike cried more than anyone when she died.
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That's all I know that was brought up about the relationship being unhealthy nothing about abusive except from most anti shippers.
In the 45 minute reunion special Joss said writing Spuffy S6 was him exploring writing an abusive relationship.

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I think Spuffy S6 is unquestionably abusive and unhealthy (both ways). But that's S6 & Spike without a soul. That's like saying BA is abusive because of Buffy/Angelus.

In S7 SB have a beautiful, supportive relationship that helps them both.
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I am glad I am not the only one who found the reunion talk to be strange. I saw James at Grand Slam in 2007 and how he always was a Buffy Spike shipper from the start. However he always said which I agree he did have a very hard time with the attack scene at the end of season 6. He said now a days he wouldn't do a scene like that again.

However he did say how he always thought the Spike Buffy relationship was beautiful and how he planed the seed to Josh that Spike and Buffy should get together. His story about Sarah reaction to the script was really funny with her hitting him saying this is all your fault.

I also remember in 2010 when I saw James again at New York Comic Con for his talk how he went on and on for his love for Buffy and Spike.

In 2007 I also saw Sarah Michelle Gellar at the premiere for her film Suberin Girl. I know they had a Q&A I think someone asked her about Buffy but can't remember if she mentioned anything about Spike and Buffy.

Like I said in my post on the other page. I always thought the Spike and Buffy relationship had a deeper meaning.

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Spike and Buffy was one of the most profound love stories. Very dark and scary. Watching season 1 really set up what Buffy was. The whole show was dark and scary. One vampires rome the earth, two the school is on the hell mouth, and three Supernatural forces are everywhere.

High school is scary enough but in Sunnydale it took on a whole new meaning.

As Giles puts it so eloquently to Xander in the pilot after Jessie is turned into a vampire.

Xander: We've gotta get in there before Jesse does something stupider than usual.

Giles: You listen to me! Jesse is dead! You have to remember that when you see him, you're not looking at your friend. You're looking at the thing that killed him.


The thing that killed him. This is Spike. William the Bloody. The vampire who slayed the slayers and everyone along his way. Spike took the jabs he got in his human life and turned the jokes of people wanting to jam a rail road spike into their heads after hearing his awful poetry and his failure with girls into a living nightmare.

When Spike became a Vampire that all changed. He is no longer the babbling love sick boy. He became sired to Druclia a beautiful sexy woman who turned him and he became the thing of peoples worst nightmares. He used railroad spikes as a way to toucher his victims before he drained them. He was William the Bloody for a reason.

The thing I loved about the love story between Spike and Buffy was the more Spike wanted to become human the more he feel in love with Buffy. We saw glimpse of the babbling man who wanted to write a beautiful poem in order to get the gorgeous girl.

How he wanted to take her out on a "date", brought her flowers when he Mom died, or just sat with her on her back porch because she was in pain.

Even when he got the chip that caused him pain when he tried to turn into a vampire deep inside he still was a vampire at heart.

Buffy was strong from the beginning but like Spike was an outsider. The girl who had the deep dark secret of being a slayer. Buffy was popular and well liked but under it all she felt the burden of life. So many lives lost so much pain felt over her calling. She was called to defend the weak but at times she was weak as well. She also died twice and was in her own personal living hell when she was brought back from the dead. She had to learn what it was like to live again and to love again.



When Spike attacks Buffy in season 6 He is still deep down a vampire a soulless creature who main mission is to destroy. Hence William the Bloody comes out. Buffy's strong as she is fights him but is so damaged emotionally after he attacks her that she almost forgets that Spike is not human and still deep down inside is a Vampire. Her own living hell is now a reality once again. Once again she is reminded she is not a normal girl but the Sayer.

Hence why the act Spike commits has to be so horrific that he begs to get his soul back so he can prove to Buffy that deep down he is not this monster but a man worthy of her love.

To me that says it all as to why the love between Buffy and Spike was more epic in some ways then Angel. Angel soul was take away and he was a very nice and helpful person but when his soul is restored we see the evil inside of him. Like a fallen angel his true colors shine.

I don't hate Angel I was a Angel Buffy fan in the beginning. Yes I know I know. Then that all changed after I saw Touched, End Of Days, and Chosen. (Like I said I missed a lot of some seasons due to school. Then I caught up years later.) Touched, End Of Days, and Chosen I remember watching on TV. I was blown away by Spikes I love you speech. However the one that hit home for me and made me a Spike and Buffy fan was "Last night was the best night of my life" speech. I remember tearing up over that scene. Chosen I remember how I couldn't believe how Buffy was willing to stay and die with Spike when he was telling her to go. It was such a beautiful moment and it was something I never saw her do for Angel.

For me the story of Buffy and Spike was more mature love story. I remember falling in love with them and rooting for them. It was a beautiful story of two people finding the good and bad in one another and still loving one another anyway. It was a story about redemption and humanity. Which is why the soul burns at the end. Buffy and Spike are the twin flams who saved the earth but they also saved each other.

In the 1992 movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer we had Buffy and Pike. In the TV show it was Buffy and Spike. Considance I think not.
I loved Fool For Love as well. The chemestry and the connection were out of this world. I never saw passion like that between her and Angel.

All my friends in high school and college went on and on about her and Angel. Like I said I was an Angel fan but I had not watched a lot of Buffy due to school. So of course I was like oh this is her epic love. I still love the ending of season 2. It's so sad and tragic but it dosen't strick a cord in me like Buffy and Spike did.

I only had a handful of friends who loved Spike as well the idea of Spike with Buffy. After seeing a more episodes I could see why.

When I saw the episode After Life in season 6 I saw a connection like no other. The way she trusted Spike enough to tell him her deepest darkest secret spoke volumes for me. They shared a deeper connection. Almost like she was showing her soul to him.

I never saw her have that connection with Angel. It was more hearts and flowers to me this relationship. Or too teenage romance.

Buffy and Spike I could see growing old together. (If Spike could grow old)
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I think no one can argue that S6 Spuffy was abusive on both sides, but I wish I heard more from the actors about how their relationship changed for the better in S7. I know they have, but I just wish there was more focus on S7 Spuffy. Their story was complex about the journey to redemption and sacrifice.
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In the 45 minute reunion special Joss said writing Spuffy S6 was him exploring writing an abusive relationship.

I think Spuffy S6 is unquestionably abusive and unhealthy (both ways). But that's S6 & Spike without a soul. That's like saying BA is abusive because of Buffy/Angelus.

In S7 SB have a beautiful, supportive relationship that helps them both.
I agree. I haven't watch that interview yet. I've only seen the gifs & what JM said when he recently said Spuffy are together now.

Joss said Spuffy was his ship a few months ago in an interview.

I hate the double standard b/c anti fans say Spike isn't any diff. with his soul.

Did they not see how selfless his love became for Buffy?

Angelus would have gotten bunch of minions to help him kill Buffy if he had a chip.

He also would have turned Buffy into another Dru & was going to until he wanted to end the world instead.

I also think the fact that the Slayer/Vampire dynamic is forgotten with Spike without his soul.

The abusive part was more Buffy beating him up the alley & Spike almost raping her.

No doubt he would have if that was his true intent. We saw how horrified he was to get to fight to the death for his soul back.


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I think no one can argue that S6 Spuffy was abusive on both sides, but I wish I heard more from the actors about how their relationship changed for the better in S7. I know they have, but I just wish there was more focus on S7 Spuffy. Their story was complex about the journey to redemption and sacrifice.
This b/c they only told one side but then Joss goes to these things.

I don't get why we here just that Bangel is a grand romance. Why?

Then Joss talks about Spuffy & basically how he is the long haul guy & got a soul b/c of her.

I don't even really think Joss knows how to explain why Bangel are grand b/c he doesn't know himself.
Just that is when the show finally became more than just monster of week for a little while but still
had them to draw out the Angelus arc until the end of Season 2.

Season 3 we still had these a lot though. I honestly got bored with them.

I think that's why Season 5 & 6 I partly more like them. Season 5 is my fave gen. Buffy season.
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The Bangel story was also dark. Just because the show acted like Angel had a multiple personality disorder and wasn't in control of his evil side doesn't mean his mind games and his desire to torture and kill Buffy wasn't abuse. Did Angel feel enough guilt and regret for those actions like Spike?

I would like to hear someone from the show explain why Bangel was so grand, but Spuffy is for the long-haul.

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That gifset shows how much of deeper/strongest love/connection Spuffy have than any other ship.

They were never forced. Spuffy love saved the world!




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I don't get why we here just that Bangel is a grand romance. Why?]
The Bangel story was also dark. Just because the show acted like Angel had a multiple personal disorder and wasn't in control of his evil side doesn't mean his mind games and his desire to torture and kill Buffy wasn't abuse. Did Angel feel enough guilt and regret for those actions like Spike?

I would like to hear someone from the show explain why Bangel was so grand, but Spuffy is for the long-haul.[/QUOTE]

Exactly Joss never explains it unless is comparing them to Romeo/Juliet.

That really is a flattering comparison. He has said this 3 times now.

It still doesn't explain anything.

That is very true about Bangel. My depression so bad right now it's annoying me more than usual.

Bangel are seen like perfect & Spuffy the worst according to that interview.

Especially when both Joss & JM have talked about how they are Spuffy shippers just recently.
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It definitely is. People hold Spike to a human standard.
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That is very true about Bangel. My depression so bad right now it's annoying me more than usual.
Aw, don't let that kinda thing get to you, J. Not everyone has to ship SB. Everyone interprets media differently. Other people's views of BTVS shouldn't effect the enjoyment of yours.

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