Buffy and Angel - Confidants {Faith♥Angel} #14: "Our time is never up, Faith. We pay for everything."

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 02:35 PM

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01. Because they are similar
02. Because they would look hot together
03. Because they both were evil and good at one point
04. Because they both fighted there demons
05. Because she cried on Angel
06. Because he is the only one who did not give up on her
07. Because he is her favorite memory
08. Because Angel punched Buffy for Faith
09. Because they love being together
10. Because they are friends
11. Because Angel understood Faith in a way no one else did
12. Because Faith wanted Angelus to be on her side when she was evil
13. Because Angelus wanted Faith to join him on the dark side
14. Because Faith escaped jail when she found out Angelus was back
15. Because Angel visited Faith in jail
16. Because she wouldn't kill Angelus
17. Because she never gave up on him
18. Because she wouldn't kill Angelus
19. Because Angel was her savior
20. Because he couldn't kill her
21. Because he made her kept fighting
22. Because they time is never up
23. Because no matter what happen they will always have eachother
24. Because he was ready to take the fall for her
25. Because she would always be safe with him.
26. Because she mattered to him.
27. Because he let her sleep on his bed
28. Because he would take care of her
29. Because he don't wan't her to feel like a prisoner
30. Because rain has never looked so good
31. Because Angel is the first person to break Faith
32. Because they have the best fights
33. Because they both knew what it was to be really bad.
34. Because Faith just wanted something to love.
35. Because They. Are. Hot!
36. Because Angel really wants to save her.
37. Because they are fighting their darkness together.
38. Because they can make a club for murderers.
39. Because they can understand each other win ways no one else can.
40. Because no one else has ever not given up on her.
41. Because Faith wanted to stay with him rather then go to Sunnydale.
42. Because when they are good they are grand, but when they're bad… they are.. very bad (so bad)
43. Because Angel wanted a hug goodbye!
44. Because Angel was Faith's murder rehab sponsor.
45. Because Angelus wanted to make Faith like him.
46. Because Faith will take Angelus over Connor
47. Because Faith turned herself into the police to protect Angel
48. Because Angel opened his home and heart to Faith.
49. Because Angel was willing to take the fall for Faith.
50. Because he made her smile with his confession of singing Berry Manelow
51. Because Angel trusts her with his secrets.
52. Because they can depend on each other through all times
53. Because Angelus and Faith would be a hot/bad-ass couple
54. Because Angelus and Faith wanted to be with each other at one time
55. Because Angel made her rest in his apartment
56. Because Angel is never in the game when it comes to fighting Faith
57. Because no one could understand Faith like Angel does
58. Because Angelus wanted to make Faith just like him.
59. Because Faith knows how much they're alike

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**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 02:40 PM

Edit: dp

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**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 02:40 PM

Thanks for the new thread!
We would have gotten here quicker if

wasn't so bad right now. lol

I wonder if it was up to Faith would she have stayed in L.A?

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 02:42 PM

YW

& yeah, we would have done better if FF had been working properly

I definitely could see her staying in L.A. although I guess she would have had to avoid the police!

I just love that scene with her at the hotel so much, I so could have seen her & Gunn as a Brotp, Wesley kinda being a watcher figure to her & of course her connection with Angel

Do you think she really wanted to die in that episode?

**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 02:43 PM

dp: ff: error again.

**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 02:43 PM

The Angel and Faith scene.

I loved the scene so much!
Can't believe this is the end of Faith in ATS.

She was so perfect on the show.

Makes me remember having Angel, Willow and Faith scenes in the comics.

I never knew what to make of that Fred/Willow scene....

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 02:45 PM

I guess Willow was into Fred & Fred just being herself made it seemed like she was flirting

I didn't know that Willow hung out with them in the comics too!

**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 02:47 PM

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Yeah, the inconsistencies with the whole having a soul/not having a soul thing always bugged me, it never even seemed like the writers cared at all

It's also kinda interesting how it's indicated that Faith wants to die in this episode, when it the last ep Angelus pointed a gun at her & she said she didn't...

Completely agree, we mentioned it a lot but it is so annoying when you re-watch these episodes.
Probably the writers just want it to be an excuse for the evil Angel did in the past without a soul?

I know Spike isn't forgiven for anything he did without the soul because people see him as the same person but even though I love Angel, that should be for him as well...

It does seem like she was ready to give up because she thought it was her time.
Probably she was just tired of everything?

All it took was Angel getting through to her though.
I'm not sure though if she really wanted to die though although it seems she was giving up for good....

I saw it as her accepting her fate.

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 02:50 PM

It's more complicated than that for Spike, because if you applied the Angel soul logic to him, then 'William' wouldn't have had the feelings for Buffy, that would have been the demon side that had somehow fallen in love with her....it benefitted the writers to not make them two seperate characters just like it benefitted them to seperate Angel & Angelus - super annoying though.

Maybe Faith thought that if she died trying to stop Angelus, that would somehow be a noble death & it would mean that she had finished her redemption. It's hard, because when Angelus asks her if she wants to die in the episode before & she shouts 'no', I really believe that she means it. I would believe that it was just her accepting her fate even if it wasn't for some of the comments that Angel made towards her, as if she was just trying to take the easy way out, which I think is a bit harsh.

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 02:51 PM

It's more complicated than that for Spike, because if you applied the Angel soul logic to him, then 'William' wouldn't have had the feelings for Buffy, that would have been the demon side that had somehow fallen in love with her....it benefitted the writers to not make them two seperate characters just like it benefitted them to seperate Angel & Angelus - super annoying though.

Maybe Faith thought that if she died trying to stop Angelus, that would somehow be a noble death & it would mean that she had finished her redemption. It's hard, because when Angelus asks her if she wants to die in the episode before & she shouts 'no', I really believe that she means it. I would believe that it was just her accepting her fate even if it wasn't for some of the comments that Angel made towards her, as if she was just trying to take the easy way out, which I think is a bit harsh.

**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 02:59 PM

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It's more complicated than that for Spike, because if you applied the Angel soul logic to him, then 'William' wouldn't have had the feelings for Buffy, that would have been the demon side that had somehow fallen in love with her....it benefitted the writers to not make them two seperate characters just like it benefitted them to seperate Angel & Angelus - super annoying though.

Maybe Faith thought that if she died trying to stop Angelus, that would somehow be a noble death & it would mean that she had finished her redemption. It's hard, because when Angelus asks her if she wants to die in the episode before & she shouts 'no', I really believe that she means it. I would believe that it was just her accepting her fate even if it wasn't for some of the comments that Angel made towards her, as if she was just trying to take the easy way out, which I think is a bit harsh.

Well I guess falling in love without a soul makes sense because I would think your feelings should intensify when you get a soul or at least be the same.
Like I believe if Angelus fell in love for Buffy, Season 2 of BTVS would've been a lot more easier.

Like with Angel/Darla. I actually feel that Angelus deeply fell for Darla, and it carried on with Angel although I feel Angelus feelings at times were stronger than Angel's.

I think Darla is the only women Angelus could be with for 100+ years. He respected her, and appreciated her for his existence.

Actually all of that just complicates things even more.

I like your perspective on Faith possibly ready to die.

She probably really did believe she was finished and it was nothing left for her to do so she was ready to die.

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 03:05 PM

Yeah, throwing Angel & Darla into the mix does complicate it even more. It's hard because I haven't solidified whatI think his feelings for Darla as Angel & Angelus yet because there are just too many inconsinstencies & I guess everyone just has to have their own headcanons

I think that sometimes Angel just found it easier to distance himself from Angelus as much as he could & maybe he exaggerated the differences as much as he could, but eps like Orpheus clearly show that Angel & Angelus are different entities. I just don't know

& that's the only way I can make of the Faith wanting to die in that episode comments in the ep, like I said about the last episode, when she said she didn't want to die anymore, I really believed that she was telling the truth

**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 03:10 PM

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Yeah, throwing Angel & Darla into the mix does complicate it even more. It's hard because I haven't solidified whatI think his feelings for Darla as Angel & Angelus yet because there are just too many inconsinstencies & I guess everyone just has to have their own headcanons

I think that sometimes Angel just found it easier to distance himself from Angelus as much as he could & maybe he exaggerated the differences as much as he could, but eps like Orpheus clearly show that Angel & Angelus are different entities. I just don't know

& that's the only way I can make of the Faith wanting to die in that episode comments in the ep, like I said about the last episode, when she said she didn't want to die anymore, I really believed that she was telling the truth

Yeah.

All of it is so confusing. lol
Also if you throw in Spike/Dru. I believe Spike would've still loved Dru if he got a soul by force during Season 2 or something.

Blame it all on the writing.

I think your way makes the most sense about Angel trying to distance himself from Angelus even though Orpheous confused things 10x more.

She finally felt she fulfilled her purpose.

**starryeyesxx** · 05-28-2016, 03:12 PM

Yep, but she's still got a hell of a lot more fighting to go - a lot like Angel

What do you think of a Faith/Gunn Brotp? Because I would have loved to see that!

Also, FF is still playing up, so I think we should just leave it at one ep tonight...

**eternalfate** · 05-28-2016, 04:05 PM

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Yep, but she's still got a hell of a lot more fighting to go - a lot like Angel

What do you think of a Faith/Gunn Brotp? Because I would have loved to see that!

Also, FF is still playing up, so I think we should just leave it at one ep tonight...

Yes she does, eventually it will pay off though.

I'd totally be down for it, just from their small interaction alone I could see it.

They just hit it off so well.

really messed up a lot of stuff tonight.

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