jediwands

Well said. It’s such a horrible tragedy.

jediwands

I did notice! I thought she was more or less like a transcriptionist.

Wow interesting!

It makes sense. I mean, not only was he in a gang, but he was a leader of a big-time gang. They have a code, and they don’t snitch. He obviously had a good support system of people telling him what he needed to do if he wanted to have a life eventually outside of prison. I thought I read he’s a great father to his children… you just see and feel there is so much potential with him. I mean, like you had mentioned he had to fire Sigfredo for his drinking. This means Luis took the job seriously and was in a higher up position at his job. He just made wrong choices, and grew up in a very tough situation where you really have to battle through the darkness in order to get to the light. That’s 100% why he went with Sigfredo in the first place. They called each other brothers. He considered him family. He didn’t have a family growing up. This is why he is such a good father now.

But that is very interesting. I think he’s a smart guy in that he knew if he was going to make the decision to go through with the deal he was going to have to tell the truth because he wasn’t going to pull a fast one on the police and the detectives, they would check everything and figure out if he was lying instantly.

I hope, and I would assume, he’s taking some education courses in prison, and getting ready for his release in about a decade. Man, he could get a college degree if I’m not mistaken in prison. You know he’s not in the type of lockup where he’s in solitary confinement or anything and I know that you can take all different kinds of courses. I’m sure he got his GED. I would be shocked if he didn’t and he might be taking some college courses. He could literally think about the next 10 years as being educational. Take every course available that he’s interested in and have all of that background upon his release so he can find a job and it might not have to be a type of manual labor job. Someone might give him a chance if he had degrees. He could be very prepared when he gets out in about 10 years and good for him if he does just that.

Basically all of the very big time conservative states just like Florida and Arizona are. I believe North Carolina is the same way.

Minnesota offers more leniency under the right circumstances. As you can see, even first-degree murder could be 30 years only in the state of Minnesota. I actually like this route to be perfectly honest because I am against the death penalty for one. Minnesota does not have that. And two, I think every murder, even first-degree murder, should be looked at with context, evaluating everything like mental health, motivation/and so much more. I think there’s way more to it. I’m not trying to water down murder or crime in general, but I just think every case is different so to have these super strict laws and even the death penalty like a Florida, like an Arizona, like a North Carolina… I just think it’s way too black and white because each criminal in each case is different, it should be evaluated differently and with different punishments if you ask me. I don’t know what it’s like in Florida right now, but I know back in the day Florida was ridiculously charging minors with life in prison and I’m talking like 13-year-olds and I found that utterly ridiculous. I’m thinking of a case like 10 years ago… a 13-year-old was being charged with life in prison (and he was abused). 13! Insanity. There’s even juvenile death penalty cases in the US. Not many, but some, and 98% of them are in the south. As a Psychologist, I could write a book on how much this bothers me. Every case is different and should be treated differently.

Well said. Exactly.

jediwands

Exactly. I need to see more of Donna to know just how horrible she is. Lol. I know she’s horrible and definitely a narcissist. I’d have to see about sociopath and something else. I don’t think she’s a psychopath though, I just don’t think so. She doesn’t fit the profile. Literally psychopaths, many of them, could kill their own family members and I don’t mean in-laws. I mean literally their own family and not think anything of it.

There could be other motives for Donna. For sure. It could be about a game. Donna not caring about her family as much as she claims. She could be using all of them as chess pieces. That’s true. It’s just… I don’t know how much I believe it because she gave up and did so much for her family and grandchildren and it just doesn’t fit the profile of a psychopath unless it’s all fake.

Even if it is ego, that would fall more in line with a narcissist. A narcissist is so egotistical. They think they are the best, they want to be the best, they want human interaction so they can keep stroking their ego and thinking they are the best. See psychopaths don’t care about that, they don’t care about what people think of them like a narcissist does. Narcissists need people to cut down in order to make themselves look and feel better. A psychopath doesn’t give a crap… a psychopath hates people. A psychopath enjoys seeing people tortured and even killed. They lack all empathy and human emotion basically. A sociopath cares a little more. I mean this is a very loose definition but a sociopath is a “lighter” version or a psychopath. You can tell the difference just based on how they plan killings and tormenting people… a sociopath has a little more emotion so they will do more reckless things reacting. A psychopath feels nothing and savors and gets off on the planning so the planning is impeccable typically and they are more careful. The planning is just as exciting to a psychopath as the ultimate kill.

Donna seemed totally pissed off that Wendi wasn’t under her control. I think she thought Wendi should be grateful for everything that they have done for her. Notice how Donna said something like I kept telling Wendi the case is over, the case is done, it’s not about the case. That is suggesting Charlie is pushed aside as long as Wendi pays attention to Donna. It’s so twisted. Donna is a textbook malignant narcissist.

stlavin95

No problem

Definitely should read up on it, it's a pretty interesting case

jediwands

Will do.

stlavin95

Great!

stlavin95

secretk

Yep. I did what I could. My music teacher wanted me to go from 5th grade into a specialised music school. I could not do all of that . Around this time I chose to prioritise math over music and that's how I continued.

He is terrible. Sadly this is quite often the case here. Not every teacher in college but some of them are really like that. And almost every person has a story like that in their college years.

secretk

Yeah I think it needs to start educating girls on their rights .

To be fair when I decided to go in this profession I was relativity young - just 6th grade. At this point I did not think that much about the gender disparity or the specifics. I just liked the profession.

Per these stats it is India:

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Cool thing is Bulgaria is on 7th place so we do actually have more women compared to other countries and the average. I think overall you will see the countries that are known for Software Development in general. Bulgaria is rather known place for Software Developers in Europe. Espeically where I live. We are like small scale silicon valley. There are over 150 IT companies here. Lots of competition.

Ah thanks !

I actually my astrological chart kind of explains the INTJ type as well. They are kind of saying the same thing but through different means. And yeah luckily for me I have healthy dose of Fire - enough to help me, but not too much to be annoying .

secretk

We need to check if there are videos from those trials that we can watch, discuss and compare .

Yes, this is my understanding .

Could be indeed .

secretk

My dad had a joke about this. He would tell me "let's not check each other because we will catch each other in the act". It was a joke obviously but what he meant is that there is also a certain amount of trust that you need to have and you can't be paranoid all the time on whether the other person is doing something or not. I am taught that if you think the other person is cheating, even if they are not, it does not matter. It shows that you are not right for each other and you do not trust each other.

My dad is similar . I mean minus the owning a company . He is not big into smartphones and would use a smartphone just for phone calls. He does not like texting, he does not like emails.

secretk

Yep. Interestingly btw I watched a STS video yesterday and they mentioned that in the affidavit is mentioned that some friends of Donna also tipped LE that they might leave. Apparently Donna asked some neighbours/friends that she has not been talking to for like 20 years on hotels and accommodations for this trip to Vietnam. And they tipped off LE as well.

Yep .

Sad indeed.

I assume you talk about the Bar Mitzvah right? For some reason I missed this. What have you watched and what did Wendi say?

I just wonder if the boys know at all that their maternal family is accused of having something to do with their father's dad. I wonder. I do think even if they don't know sooner or later they will. And yeah if they do know, you are right - they most probably told them that those are all lies and that it is not true.

secretk

Yes . Two young people dead. Two set of parents losing their children. It is just so meaningless. So sad.

secretk

From what she mentioned LE did not believe him initially so as a private investigator she had to see if Luis' story checks out. So it makes sense she was taking notes.

Yes, Luis did consider Sigfredo like a family and at this point was of the mindset that he will do anything he asks him to do. It is interesting that he still snitched on him. I doubt it was easy for him to betray a person so close to him. However I had the feeling that he was not that big on Katie. Did you sense the same?

And that is another way he is smarter than the book smart Katie who did lie a bit when she testified in Charlie's trial. This is how you do things.

I don't know how the fact that he cannot read and write impacts him taking GED in prison.

I see.


I tend to agree with this. As long as it is described well on what could be the mitigation factors. The black and white approach has only 1 pro and that is that there is no place for corruption or subjectivity. The judge cannot do anything else but to sentence them to life. We do need good system to decide when to give lenience and to make sure that we give it for the right reasons.

secretk

I see. Yeah I don't see Donna hurting her family. Well unless she thinks they betray her - aka Robert. That I can see. But there is huge difference between disowning and killing someone you know.

Yeah, we will have to observe her. Technically I can see her giving up her life because she did not want to work. There are such people. It is not us but there are such people. And she might have framed it as I want to be caring mother and housewife.

I see. Yeah Donna does feel. In fact I think she has less control on her emotions compared to Wendi. So Donna might be more borderline compared to Wendi because I can see her being emotional and irrational.

Indeed Donna wanted to keep contact with Wendi and as she knew that Wendi is distancing herself because of the case, she would deny that anything is related to the case, just so that she can talk to Wendi. I did not see it so much as pushing Charlie aside. More like I am ready to say in words whatever you want me to do as long as you don't refuse communication.