Everwood - Everwood Fans who are Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie Fans of Dawson's Creek #32: Writer's Advice to Williamson : Don't start what you can't finish. - Page 13

COOLCAT200 · 11-16-2021, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL22 (View Post)

I don't think anyone wanted P/J permanently, with the exception of Stuoin and the network. The writers wrote the end of p/j twice. Promicide and when Pacey was ditched by Joey for Eddie, right after their romantic interlude among the aisles of K-Mart. Let's see what did she tell Pacey? Oh "I just don't feel it" The death knell for any relationship. Then the implausible ending of Pacey and Joey, but what is going to happen when her and Pacey get into an argument and she goes running off to Dawson, which she will do as she has done it all her life.

A fitting end for Joey would be Dawson tells her to grow up and when she returns Pacey is gone.

I mean just look at this Love Bites promo, it was clearly meant to be the end of P/J https://youtu.be/poibMRdUD1M

**jediwands** · 11-16-2021, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL22 (View Post)

I don't think anyone wanted P/J permanently, with the exception of Stuoin and the network. The writers wrote the end of p/j twice. Promicide and when Pacey was ditched by Joey for Eddie, right after their romantic interlude among the aisles of K-Mart. Let's see what did she tell Pacey? Oh "I just don't feel it" The death knell for any relationship. Then the implausible ending of Pacey and Joey, but what is going to happen when her and Pacey get into an argument and she goes running off to Dawson, which she will do as she has done it all her life.

A fitting end for Joey would be Dawson tells her to grow up and when she returns Pacey is gone.

You’re right, TWICE PJ were written as shattered. I seriously wonder what happened. Did Williamson feel guilty, it might have been guilt and Stupin embraced it knowing it made zero sense but still arrogant enough to take it since he considered PJ his pairing.

**jediwands** · 11-16-2021, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COOLCAT200 (View Post)

I mean just look at this Love Bites promo, it was clearly meant to be the end of P/J https://youtu.be/poibMRdUD1M

Unreal.

***Jerry D*** · 11-16-2021, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COOLCAT200 (View Post)

I mean just look at this Love Bites promo, it was clearly meant to be the end of P/J https://youtu.be/poibMRdUD1M

It was absolutely meant to be the end of Pacey and Joey.

What's really a joke though is how Eddie was supposed to be this great love for Joey, combining Dawson and Pacey, and she even went all the way across the country during a school year to see him, but Eddie was a nothing character with a chip on his shoulder for no reason, mainly because Oliver Hudson couldn't act worth a damn, so the whole thing ended up being a fiasco.

COOLCAT200 · 11-17-2021, 11:07 PM

Although it ends badly I have always loved this promo and I love 601/602 got the show it’s highest ratings besides the pilot and series finale https://youtu.be/zuhWix6UOKs

**jediwands** · 11-18-2021, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everwoodlover (View Post)

I thought Holmes was damn good in that show personally.

Subjective I guess.

I don't think she can hold a candle to Emily VanCamp and Michelle Williams and the critical acclaim both have received while Holmes has never received any critical acclaim for anything she's ever been in (and instead, really negative reviews) has always been interesting to me.

***Jerry D*** · 11-18-2021, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everwoodlover (View Post)

I thought Holmes was damn good in that show personally.

I thought that Katie Holmes was good in Season One (the scene with her father at the Prison Gate was incredible) but after that, I felt that the increasing focus on her character (we used to call the show the Joey Potter hour, and we used to joke about how Joey became the girl that no mere mortal could resist) went to her head and she did little more than mug for the camera, especially when she was with Pacey, but like jediseermic said, it's all subjective.

I also have seen that Michelle Williams went on to become an acclaimed award winning actress while Katie Holmes has mostly become tabloid fodder after marrying and divorcing Tom Cruise, and she hasn't had anywhere near the career success that Michelle Williams has had.

To be fair though, none of the other actors have had the career success that Michelle Williams has had.

COOLCAT200 · 11-18-2021, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everwoodlover (View Post)

Michelle Williams had career success? What else did she do? I honestly haven't heard from her since Brokeback Mountain.

She won an Emmy award and has been nominated for Academy awards like 5 times. She was great in Greatest Showman and Manchester By The Sea among many others. Check out her IMDB. The only truly successful film Katie was in post creek was Batman begins.

**jediwands** · 11-18-2021, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COOLCAT200 (View Post)

She won an Emmy award and has been nominated for Academy awards like 5 times. She was great in Greatest Showman and Manchester By The Sea among many others. Check out her IMDB. The only truly successful film Katie was in post creek was Batman begins.

Thanks for this. Katie got ripped apart for her portrayal in Batman begins too.

Emily VanCamp was talked about extensively for S2 Amy Depression storyline. She received so much feedback. On any other network she would have been nominated and even won an Emmy.

Katie never has reached the level of Michelle Williams or the words Emily has received from critics. Apples to oranges, big time.

***Jerry D*** · 11-18-2021, 02:19 PM

Michelle Williams won the Primetime Emmy Award and the Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Miniseries for her portrayal of Gwen Verdon in the Miniseries Fosse/Verdon. She also did an incredible job in the movie My Week with Marilyn where she played Marilyn Monroe and she won the Golden Globe Award for her work in that movie. She was also very good in the movie Oz The Great and Powerful.

Here's a list of the awards and nominations that she's received:

List of awards and nominations received by Michelle Williams (actress)

***Jerry D*** · 11-19-2021, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everwoodlover (View Post)

Interesting, aside from Oz(which I didn't know she was in as I had zero interest in seeing it after the trailers made it look like absolute dreck) and Blue Valentine(which I only vaguely remember hearing about) i've never heard of any of those things.

Oz The Great and Powerful wasn't a good movie, but Michelle Williams did a good job in it.

I've followed Michelle Williams' career ever since her Dawson's Creek days as even then I could tell what a good actress she was.

COOLCAT200 · 11-19-2021, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everwoodlover (View Post)

Interesting, aside from Oz(which I didn't know she was in as I had zero interest in seeing it after the trailers made it look like absolute dreck) and Blue Valentine(which I only vaguely remember hearing about) i've never heard of any of those things.

Not even The Greatest Showman with Huge Jackman? It was a massive popular movie

**jediwands** · 11-21-2021, 10:47 PM

I really wish Michelle would have been featured more on Dawson’s Creek. She is so talented. It reminds me of a star player on the basketball team having to sit out games and watch the team lose knowing the team would win if on the court with them.

COOLCAT200 · 11-22-2021, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jediseermic (View Post)

I really wish Michelle would have been featured more on Dawson’s Creek. She is so talented. It reminds me of a star player on the basketball team having to sit out games and watch the team lose knowing the team would win if on the court with them.

Besides her S5 thing with Dawson they didn’t even give her any good love interests

**jediwands** · 11-23-2021, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COOLCAT200 (View Post)

Besides her S5 thing with Dawson they didn’t even give her any good love interests

Right? Not one. It was deliberate, too.

Forum Affiliates
Emily VanCamp, Chris Pratt Universe, Emily VanCamp Brasil, Chris Pratt Web
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page


Fan Forum > TV Shows - Past > Everwood > Everwood Fans who are Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie Fans of Dawson's Creek #32: Writer's Advice to Williamson : Don't start what you can't finish.