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jediwands 03-19-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TL22 (Post 96853125)
The one moment that jumps out is taking Andie to the prom.

"It would be an honour to take you" Then he S@@@ all over Andie.

Good example.

It made my skin crawl.

It’s clear TPTB had to not only wreck many relationships to facilitate a PJ pairing, but they also had to write out of character moments too. No way in hell does the real Pacey do that to Andie.

Jerry D 03-19-2019 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96849721)
What moments do you think really demonstrated Pacey being a hypocrite?

Another moment was when Pacey took Dawson fishing just to tell him that he didn't like him being with Gretchen.

jediwands 03-19-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry D (Post 96853465)
Another moment was when Pacey took Dawson fishing just to tell him that he didn't like him being with Gretchen.

Good one.

Another one was Pacey using the trip to Dawson’s aunts in order to get close to Joey. :rolleyes:

Jerry D 03-19-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96853532)
Good one.

Another one was Pacey using the trip to Dawson’s aunts in order to get close to Joey. :rolleyes:

I think that was the worst one.

jediwands 03-19-2019 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry D (Post 96853723)
I think that was the worst one.

I think so too. :mad:

It is bad enough he had every intention to go for it with Joey. But to actually use Dawson in order to continue pursuing her is disgusting. How did he not feel any guilt or shame? He had the nerve to sit there and watch Dawson and Joey singing together and deliberately pout as well. He knew his response would cause Joey to run after him too. He was devious and manipulative. I seriously could not stand him during this time period.

Jerry D 03-20-2019 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96853755)
I think so too. :mad:

It is bad enough he had every intention to go for it with Joey. But to actually use Dawson in order to continue pursuing her is disgusting. How did he not feel any guilt or shame? He had the nerve to sit there and watch Dawson and Joey singing together and deliberately pout as well. He knew his response would cause Joey to run after him too. He was devious and manipulative. I seriously could not stand him during this time period.

I also hated the notion that the writers foisted on us through Aunt Gwen who told Joey the story of leaving her husband (the “safe choice”) for someone that made her “feel alive” that being with Dawson was the “safe choice”, meaning that he was basically boring while Pacey made Joey “feel alive.” :rolleyes:

jediwands 03-20-2019 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry D (Post 96861219)
I also hated the notion that the writers foisted on us through Aunt Gwen who told Joey the story of leaving her husband (the “safe choice”) for someone that made her “feel alive” that being with Dawson was the “safe choice”, meaning that he was basically boring while Pacey made Joey “feel alive.” :rolleyes:

Hated that so much!

It negates everything we learned about Joey's feelings for Dawson in seasons 1/2. Her feelings were so strong and made her feel so alive they scared her. It was her dream that came true. Dawson was never her safe choice. That was an edited post-season 2 artificial revelation.

Jerry D 03-20-2019 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96861465)
Hated that so much!

It negates everything we learned about Joey's feelings for Dawson in seasons 1/2. Her feelings were so strong and made her feel so alive they scared her. It was her dream that came true. Dawson was never her safe choice. That was an edited post-season 2 artificial revelation.

There was so much rewritten history and character destruction done to facilitate the Pacey and Joey paring.

jediwands 03-20-2019 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry D (Post 96862842)
There was so much rewritten history and character destruction done to facilitate the Pacey and Joey paring.

There was, indeed. I know some PJ fans will admit as much but they’ll claim seasons 1/2 were bad so they’re glad drastic changes happened. Whatever.

I have never seen a series literally, deliberately, self-destruct in order to facilitate one controversial romantic pairing. It blows my mind. After all these years, I still can’t believe it.

TL22 03-20-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96862927)
There was, indeed. I know some PJ fans will admit as much but they’ll claim seasons 1/2 were bad so they’re glad drastic changes happened. Whatever.

I have never seen a series literally, deliberately, self-destruct in order to facilitate one controversial romantic pairing. It blows my mind. After all these years, I still can’t believe it.


Probably was about the time they decided to make Joey the IT girl.the show was originally about four friends making there way through life. After season two it wasn't.

Then the destruction of Dawson and Andie, and somewhat Jen.

jediwands 03-20-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TL22 (Post 96864356)
Probably was about the time they decided to make Joey the IT girl.the show was originally about four friends making there way through life. After season two it wasn't.

Then the destruction of Dawson and Andie, and somewhat Jen.

Absolutely. I don’t even understand why they felt the need to push Katie/Joey on the audience. Ratings were fine. Usually when you change direction it’s due to low ratings. Even if a new showrunner happened, I still don’t understand the drastic changes just for one pairing. Dawson was shoved aside in seasons 3/4. Dawson was based on Kevin Williamson. He left so maybe the new showrunner wanted to erase this fact or tone it down. Kevin stupidly allowed all of this to happened. All his hard work to create the show, produce mult-layered characters was crushed in favor of essentially a low quality new series seasons 3-6.

Forwood4Bamon 03-21-2019 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96849721)
He was, indeed.

Both Pacey and Joey were.

What moments do you think really demonstrated Pacey being a hypocrite?

he barks at andie for cheating and then goes and does it to audrey. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

jediwands 03-21-2019 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pandiexjeyton (Post 96871401)
he barks at andie for cheating and then goes and does it to audrey. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So true!

What a perfect hypocrite example!

Especially when Andie had so much going on. Which is another thing I will never understand… He really dismissed mental illness at the beginning of season 3. He was so understanding and loving throughout all of season 2 and then season 3 happened and he was cold and dismissive.

Jerry D 03-21-2019 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen (Post 96871548)
So true!

What a perfect hypocrite example!

Especially when Andie had so much going on. Which is another thing I will never understand… He really dismissed mental illness at the beginning of season 3. He was so understanding and loving throughout all of season 2 and then season 3 happened and he was cold and dismissive.

That's so true. Andie did cheat, but she cheated while she was in a vulnerable position far away from home and she regretted it immediately. The Pacey of Season Two would have understood and forgiven her, but the writers took all the characters in a different direction once Kevin Williamson left.

jediwands 03-21-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry D (Post 96874534)
That's so true. Andie did cheat, but she cheated while she was in a vulnerable position far away from home and she regretted it immediately. The Pacey of Season Two would have understood and forgiven her, but the writers took all the characters in a different direction once Kevin Williamson left.

Absolutely. As a psychologist I was furious in general given how this show treated mental illness. Berlanti learned his lesson from Dawson’s Creek since Amy’s situational depression was flawless. The way Dawson’s Creek treated mental illness via Pacey in early season 3 was disgusting. He basically laughed. He almost looked possessed, evil, it was absolutely appalling. People liked this version of Pacey? How? Why? Then he goes from that cold jerk to a pouty, jealous, paranoid moron who barely graduates all because he was attached to Joey Potter.


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