jediwands

I think that's why we can forget about the vile toxicity that is Andy/Amanda in this episode... there was a S1 feel to this episode and even their gross affair wasn't going to prevent us from enjoying the other storylines. I guess in a way Andy's behavior even if it's the worst of the worst at the moment still ties into a very flawed Andy Brown which we viewed in S1.

It was such a uniquely constructed episode.

I think Bright has horrible taste. Even without Hannah looking at them, Jillian was an idiot. She looked like her IQ was missing. LOL.

To go from a father/son moment to gross Amanda makes you want to poke your eyes out.

Such a cute scene.

Harold should learn these things are just meant to happen to him.

I love how we visibly see the mountains in that scene. So perfect.

Disgusting. Nina spoke for the audience.

Great scene.

If Amanda wasn't thinking about manipulating to get him to Vermont she might have been like Jake and picked up on the feelings between Andy and Nina.

Such great scenes.

I loved finding out they would be alone working together.

I cannot stand her.

I love that Amy made it known this still bothered her.

I also loved the serious and concerned reactions from both Ephram and Bright when they found out.

I still believe the writers knew eventually Jake was playing a big role in getting Andy and Nina together which is why they had him find out very quickly. It was never for a triangle of sorts. If it was, we would have actually had a triangle. We do somewhat way later but not right away. I believe the writers wanted Jake to find out early on because eventually he would play a part.

Beautiful stuff.

All of these moments were so bang on and special.

This was a disgusting twist.

I hate how so many episodes show Andy and Amanda as possibly ending the affair only for it not to happen. The audience is left exhausted wondering over and over again when the nightmare will end. We're afraid to go back to sleep in case of experiencing another nightmare!

One of my favorite scenes of the series.

jediwands

That is so true. You can practically post the entire transcripts of the golden episodes too!

jediwands

What bothers me the most about Andy engaging in this disgusting affair putting aside the professional ethics of the situation...

He knows Julia cheated on him and what it felt like. He believes he deserved the cheating, too.

What about John? Is Andy thinking about how he was cheated on and he even thought he deserved it? So now he's crossing lines as a professional, is the cheater and is doing this to a neurologically impaired man, his past patient who deserved none of this? How utterly evil are his actions right now.

Jerry D

I completely agree.

What gets me is that they weren't even trying to hide their illicit relationship, and it's also surprising that no one seemed to know about their affair except Harold and now Nina. That goes against what we saw in the past, like with everyone finding out about Linda's HIV to the point where she was forced to leave town, so I find it hard to believe that no one has found out what's going on.

I loved what Nina said to Andy both the first and second time around and I hate that he ignored her advice and continued to pursue a relationship with Amanda.

I completely agree.

That's a good point, and I love how you pick up on details like that. At this point, I did feel glad that Jake valued and appreciated Nina, but I didn't like seeing them in a romance, but Andy was still blinded by his obsession with Amanda to see who he had standing right in front of him.

I loved all the Harold/Edna scenes and I loved seeing how much they loved and respected each other.

I really liked Bright and Hannah in this episode and I loved seeing the concern he had for her. He showed a lot more depth in this episode than we usually saw him have.

I loved seeing Hannah and Amy's friendship, not only in this episode but in general, and I've come to appreciate their friendship a lot more this time around.

I loved how they showcased how completely opposite Bright and Ephram were in this scene, with Bright being the total optimist seeing a silver lining in all the tragedy that they had to endure, and Ephram being the total dour pessimist who only focused on how they all only had tragedy in common. I loved how Bright encouraged Ephram to see that silver lining and acknowledge that he was still young and thay he had his whole life ahead of him.

I loved Hannah in this episode and I also laughed at the "throw down some Hail Mary's" line as I also grew up Catholic.

That's great, and what a treat for you to have your home state mentioned in this episode!

I loved to go sleigh riding as a kid, and I even went sleigh riding as an adult once.

I loved their scenes in this episode, but like Hannah and Bright, I was also tired of Amy bringing up Ephram going to see Madison. I was glad that Hannah called her on it and it seemed to provide her the impetus to finally put those feelings behind her.

They really were the most perfectly realized couple ever presented on television.

I completely agree.

Jerry D

I honestly don't understand all of Andy's actions in this season and it lessened my view of him.

jediwands

Treat Williams agrees with us.

I think Berlanti and Rina put way too much effort into making the pregnancy reveal big time dramatic. The character of Andy (affair) and even Ephram and Amy (lack of scenes, band lie) were sacrificed as a result.

jediwands

This town finds out everything, like you said, Linda's HIV and she was forced to leave town. Andy didn't think about what happened with Colin and how difficult that was not just on him but Ephram and Delia as well? That was something he couldn't have helped either. He was careless deliberately and certainly not thinking about how it would affect Ephram and Delia had the town found out he was having an affair with Amanda in the state John was in, even after being his doctor. It would have been so bad, the Brown's probably would have needed to move and he didn't care. Amanda did not care either. She didn't care about much of anything.

I truly think in Andy's mind, he was going to make it work with Amanda, almost like he took Nina's words about going for unavailable women and being all the more determined to make this one work, make her available. It was bizarre.

I wonder if it was deliberate and the writers wanted us to wonder about Jake at all times. The writers wanted his reveal about substance abuse and not telling Nina to hit harder or something.

I like how you call Andy obsessed... that's exactly what it was. Punishment and obsession... notice during this time period he isn't worried about the Madison pregnancy, he's not even actively thinking about it... he's doing far worse to distract instead of just telling Ephram the truth.

I loved this episode for them so much.

Hannah's interaction with both Bright and Amy is really good. I know we said there is a mismatch with both, the eventual romantic relationship and the friendship, but it worked at this time. Especially the Amy and Hannah friendship. Amy desperately needed a friend at this time. She had Laynie but Laynie would always be attached to Colin and I think that's what the writers thought. Who knows, the audience might have been reminded of Colin as well with Laynie around. I still wanted Laynie to stay but you do have to wonder how the regular Everwood fandom might have reacted. Maybe Colin would have been brought up more with Laynie around and God knows that wouldn't have been ideal.

The Amy/Hannah friendship was really good and I even think during this time period Hannah was rubbing off on Bright in a positive way too.

I wish Harold would have witnessed Bright from the moment the foursome started walking around in the snow outside, to when Bright hugged Hannah, as well as the Bright and Ephram conversation. Harold would have been blown away and so proud of his son.

It was very funny.

Yes.

Timeless.

I understood it but yes, it was time to let it go. I still hate that Amy never knew Ephram got Madison's phone number... or I should say I despise that the writers inserted that in there. It was so unnecessary.

They certainly were.

jediwands

everwoodfan52

Itś interesting that Jake grew on us this season, and Andy kind of fell from grace.

everwoodfan52

Thanks for this!!

jediwands

A rewatch without you (or with you scrambling to catch up) isn’t a rewatch.

jediwands

I wonder if it was deliberate.

All I know is during this rewatch I’m a lot more enthusiastic about Nina having a relationship with Jake. She really deserves this. We can rip apart Jake especially for the later part of the series but at the end of the day he is still 100 times better than Amanda. Nina needed someone to date after her divorce and before Andy, too. Jake filled this in-between relationship just fine. He might have stayed too long and it sucks that he was the one who had to tell Nina how she really felt but I blame that part on the writers. They wanted to keep it nice and dramatic until the very end. In addition, Nina and Jake and ultimately the Nina and Andy love story was affected the most due to the stupid merger.

jediwands

While eagerly awaiting more Everwood rewatch I still think this episode is one of the best of the series for Ephram/Amy/Bright/Hannah. It was just so good from start to finish. When you take every single scene involving one or more in this episode, it plays out like a mini-movie. There is so much going on: Hannah's annoyance with Bright noticing every girl but her, Ephram and Amy tension and working through stuff, Bright and Ephram having heart to hearts, bonding again, Hannah and Amy bonding tightly, Hannah revealing her dad's illness to Bright and Ephram, recognizing they are just teenagers who had to grow up really quickly due to real life events out of their control.

Alexa

I’ll try to get to this later today!

jediwands