[SannraB]

Well…to be honest, and I don’t want to be the spoilsport, but I can understand why CC developed the MSR the way he did. And I don’t mean the tactic-stuff (keeping sexual tension to bound the audience or because it’s more exciting that way than seeing them together as a couple), I can understand it regarding to the characters of the both.
We know that Mulder & Scully had been together as a couple for around 8 years at least and I guess there is no doubt and was no doubt ever that they are deeply in love with each other. But after the X Files were closed, Mulder began to lose his faith and we could already see in the 2nd movie, that he became depressed and one can assume that it has been getting worse. Scully had always been the stronger part of the both IMO and Mulder relied a lot on her. She was fulfilled because she found a bit of peace in working as a doctor again, but Mulder…no…he needs his faith and the strong will to believe. At a certain point Scully became aware that she can’t help him anymore or at least not in a way he needed. So she left him. Not only because she couldn’t bear to see him that way, but also because of egoistic reasons. She had to suffer a lot during the X Files and after losing her son I guess she was torn inside. On the one hand she wanted to help Mulder to find faith again, on the other hand she was afraid of what would happen, when he does. As she said in the 2nd movie, she can’t live with him in the darkness anymore.

It was a turning point…she had to do it, because it wasn’t good for them both. Mulder would never had let her go, he wasn’t strong enough and relied too much on her.

But that has nothing to do with whether she loves him or not. You can also see this as an act of love. And she never broke their contact, she just didn’t share a bed with him anymore. I guess Mulder had never understood her way of acting or he simply didn’t want to. In his opinion, she left him alone. And even now, when they are again so close, I doubt that he would make the first move. It has to come from her. But love was there, all of the time, in a large dimension.

It was funny, I read an interview with GA recently where she was asked about the MSR in the new episodes and she said, it would be more exciting to see them that way instead of seeing them as a couple, because of the sexual tension…but they can have sex…

[~MelBelle~]

I can see your point I think maybe it's just me but my view on Mulder's depression goes in a different direction Prepare for a long paragraph, I usually don't do these to often

For years Mulder's obsession with the X-Files was due to his search for his sister, it's obvious that Mulder has a deep strong bond for people he cares for for. He's proven that with his sister and Scully. But it's not just them, he cares for Skinner and the Lone Gunmen which he proved several times throughout the series. But Mulder has also shown that he's afraid to let people get too close to him because he's afraid of losing them. (now going through a traumatic event of seeing your sister abducted in front of you, yeah that could screw you up) That's probably why his relationship with Scully is so strong, she's the first and probably only one to break down that wall for him.

Now when I first saw the entire series that's what I got out of Mulder's character then I saw the second film. I was very confused over his depression, it seemed like it was towards him no longer working with the X-Files, but that didn't quite go along with the Season 9 finale since he knew what was coming...but then they showed other signs that there was possibly other things that was troubling him. I knew Scully was definitely suffering from depression about William.

Now once this season aired, for me everything made more sense about the series tieing in with the last film. (okay like I said, this is just my opinion and how I view it) I don't think Mulder is depressed on losing faith. Maybe disappointed, but I don't think that's what really tared him down. Cause we have to remember he got into all that to find his sister. So in a way it was not only somewhat a case for Samantha Mulder but a distraction from the hurt of losing his sister. So in a way, it's like he has to keep working or he can't function.

So basically why I think deep down he's depressed even more, one, he's lost people he cared for. He lost his sister (he found the truth about her, but she is gone) his father, and mother. The Lone Gunmen who he didn't even get to say goodbye to, he's had two visions of them (that we've seen) since their death. I mean that says he really misses them. What's worse, he didn't even get to say goodbye to his own son.

This one I feel he's being strong for Scully on this one. The film and this season she has asked him (does he ever think about William) he always replies "of course") It's almost like she doesn't believe him or wonders why he doesn't talk about him with her. But from episode 2, from what we saw, the photo, the dream, the nightmare. He's haunted by the memory and guilt of his son just like she is. And I have this weird feeling (I mean she did say it in season 9 finale) Mulder thinks if Scully finds out just how much that really is affecting him, she will blame herself even more than she already does for putting him up for adoption, like it's all her fault, as if Mulder even blames her (even though he doesn't). And that's something Mulder doesn't want her to do. So that's something he has to keep to himself, which can be a huge burden.

So yeah, I think it's more deeper for both characters. So post done. Sorry for how long it was, don't usually post my thoughts much.

[Veiled Vesta]

^ Don't apologize for long posts. They foster discussion and make for an interesting, sometimes reaffirming read! And I must say, I agree with SannraB about Mulder's depression.

Only thing I have to add is that above every other reason, it's likely the main reason behind Mulder and Scully's break up is that it makes for good drama. Honestly, it seems like Chris Carter likes have them angsty and partly pining for each other; that's the only way he likes to write them. But at least they're close enough to hold hands and speak openly and thoughtfully. I can live with that TUAST...

Originally Posted by Heart of Rhythm (View Post) I think we can't call it ~unresolved sexual tension~ anymore, we should call it ~(temporarily) unresolved (again) sexual tension~

[smoguntia]

If they hadn't mentionend it in My Struggle I wouldn't have regonized it that they were somehow broken up. Even their UST somehow was missing , they acted like a couple in all the other episodes. We probably have to blame DD/GAs on screen chemistry

[FrellingTralk]

That's true, they act very like a supportive couple in the last two episodes, and there's no awkwardness at all whether they're holding hands or hugging

[SannraB]

Hi together,

wonderful to read these long posts

Yes your right, they really act like a couple so far, you can definitely see that they are very close and intimate. It’s a couple that broke up because of other reasons and not because they don’t love each other anymore.

But, let’s start before…

@ Veiled Vesta & MeBelle: Of course it was also tactic to break them up. It’s definitely easier to start the revival with 0% instead of 100% to rise tension. But the break up also has to make sense, otherwise the viewers wouldn’t understand the turn. CC mentioned that they broke up because of the different positions they were in at that moment. And regarding to the 2nd movie I think I get his point. MeBelle, you are right, Mulder would never have broken up with Scully. As you said, he needs a lot of time to trust someone and when he once opened his heart to someone then he doesn’t want to lose this someone again. It was Scully’s decision, she decided that it would be better to go. But she didn’t really leave him, she didn’t broke contact. From what we know of “My Struggle 1” I guess she stayed in contact with him, helped him with his depression and still cared for him. But she wasn’t his lover anymore. So this was mainly a Decision-of-One-Way. But also it wasn’t mentioned if one of them had another relationship in between, so I think there was none. Both are single, but they are not free, still bound in a way.
Thanks MeBelle for reminding me of a few things we saw at the series. I must admit, not every detail of the series stayed clear in my mind, so it’s good to have an reminder
IMO Scully was right in “Babylon” when she said “…find a common language again”. They had lost this language on the way. For me this became clear in the 2nd movie. It wasn’t and it still isn’t good that Mulder doesn’t deal with William the way he should do. They must grief together but on the other hand I can also understand his reasons why he doesn’t. But I’m sure that this also is a reason why he became depressed. He had lost his sister, his son and the X Files, nearly everything he lived for. That’s why he relied so much on Scully. But maybe this is what she cannot bear. She tried to find a new life, without sorrow and fear, as a doctor. She tried to push William aside but that’s impossible, she lived an illusion. And she realized it at the end of the 2nd move when they were in front of the veranda, kissing. She knew that she can’t run away from the dark. And I guess, guilt played a huge role. She felt guilty because she gave William up, I’m sure she also felt guilty because of Mulder and she couldn’t stand seeing him getting paralyzed again. Maybe she needed time to deal with all that alone.

What do you think…what does it need to bring them back together again?

[Heart of Rhythm]

Originally Posted by smoguntia (View Post) If they hadn't mentionend it in My Struggle I wouldn't have regonized it that they were somehow broken up. Even their UST somehow was missing , they acted like a couple in all the other episodes. We probably have to blame DD/GAs on screen chemistry

Not complaining about that.

Everyone, I enjoyed reading your posts and a lot of those reasons you stated are valid and true-to-character reasons that could have led Mulder to depression. But that's an important story for the character that would have needed to be addressed and I still think that was never CC's intention, he just used it as an excuse to break them up. He drops one line about depression in episode 1 and then M&S never address that again and as smoguntia said, we could barely notice they were broken up in the following episodes. Yes, we see them thinking about William and having what-if dream scenarios but they supposedly lived years together being in the same situation, so what exactly changed to the point that Scully left Mulder? Knowing Scully's loyalty and love for Mulder, it must have been pretty extreme. But we'll probably never know because like I said, I don't think CC ever intended to tell this story, he just used it as a plot device.

[newgirl]

Hi everyone!

I can't belive I've never let myself be added her.
Would you add me please?
Mulder and Scully were one of my first ships, and IMO are the best TV couple ever, the mother oshipping

[wickedrum]

I've added you

[FrellingTralk]

Welcome

Originally Posted by Heart of Rhythm (View Post) He drops one line about depression in episode 1 and then M&S never address that again and as smoguntia said, we could barely notice they were broken up in the following episodes.

And yeah I tend to agree, I'm not sure that there was much of a point in breaking them up when they might as well still have been a romantic couple anyway in 'Home Again' and 'Babylon' especially. I guess that CC may address their current relationship more in the finale though if he is planning on going somewhere with it?

[Heart of Rhythm]

Sorry, off-topic from the current discussion, but this is just too funny.



[x]

[~MelBelle~]

I completely agree with everyone on here, no matter how we look at it, Mulder and Scully are each other's rock, and CC is not going to go deeper into explanation of how and why they broke up.

Originally Posted by Heart of Rhythm (View Post) Sorry, off-topic from the current discussion, but this is just too funny. [x]

Now this is way too funny and adorable

[SannraB]

Originally Posted by FrellingTralk (View Post) Welcome And yeah I tend to agree, I'm not sure that there was much of a point in breaking them up when they might as well still have been a romantic couple anyway in 'Home Again' and 'Babylon' especially. I guess that CC may address their current relationship more in the finale though if he is planning on going somewhere with it?

Yes I guess there will be a development relating to their relationship in the final. But I think it will become visible in a great act of love.

By the way @heart of the rhythm: Funny cats!

[Heart of Rhythm]

From Gillian's Q&A.

[Little_Stewie]

^

Originally Posted by Heart of Rhythm (View Post) Sorry, off-topic from the current discussion, but this is just too funny. [x]