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Old 04-01-2009, 07:43 PM
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Copulators [Jack&Kate] #745: Kate's singing "Catch a Falling Star", she's already a Shephard.



They Have Struggled To Survive Together .
They Have Faced The Unspeakable Together
Chance Has Separated Them.
Nothing In The World Will Keep Them Apart...








Fairy tales have an emotional truth that is so deep that there are few things that really rival them.
They can be scary at times, and most of the story is a constant battle between good&evil, wrong&right.
But ultimately, it’s a quest for peace and serenity;
personal happiness and well…destiny. The ending is worth every bit of the struggle.

Happiness is like those palaces in fairy tales whose gates are guarded by dragons: we must fight in order to conquer it.
There are no dragons or castles in the Jack and Kate story, but there is love,and sadness, and hope,and happiness.

All the ancient classic fairy tales have always been scary and dark. In most instances, fantasy ultimately returns us to our own now re-enchanted world,
reminding us that it is neither prosaic nor meaningless, and that how we live and what we do truly matters.

Jack and Kate have gone there and back again; they have fought together, and loved each other deeply.

Like those old stories of bravery and sacrifice in the name of true love,
Jack and Kate still have a great deal to fight through before they meet their destiny at the top of the highest tower.

In the world of LOST, we’ve been trained to never take things at face value and to always ask questions;
to always wonder about the "why".
Questions cannot be answered except in one way:
by telling the story. The story does not contain the answer, it is the answer.

Jack&Kate's relationship hasn’t,at times, been the perfect fairy tale,but they ARE the story.
And THAT is your answer.




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Best Quotes on Jack&Kate

As always, not much has to be said between these two.
In some kind of cosmic way, they just GET each other
~White Rabbit

This will always be their dynamic ..
concern baked under the fluffy crust of a chemistry neither can deny
~Walkabout

I don’t want to be Eve..
..No one’s asking you to
- and there is a part of Kate that wishes
more than anything else in the world
- that he were asking.
~HOTRS

This woman is magnetic to him, despite their issues.
And as always, there’s so much going on between these two.
But we’ll leave the audience wanting more
~Hearts&Minds

Kate is already running for them.She wraps her arms around Jack
in the hug of all hugs
~The Moth

Jack is the guy she should be with.
She does genuinely love him.
And she knows that he would take excellent care of her.
~Damon Lindelof

I think romantically,her heart's more with Jack
~Evangeline

I feel like she's getting there.
You can see the changes in Kate.
And, you can see her growing and
developing a confidence around Jack.
That basically has gotten to a level where she's saying,
You know what? You are just as screwed up as I am.
And who are you to be above me?"
and I think once they get past that it could be really amazing.
~Evangeline

It's like two ships constantly passing in the night,
but they really are connected through time and space almost.
~Matthew

The Jack and Kate thing
will be an over-long, over-arching, long-term thing on the show.
~Matthew


She's trying to pull away from Sawyer because she recognizes that she loves Jack.
I think I spent that walk back thinking that I have to push Sawyer away.
I have to. It's not fair to him or me or Jack, because I feel too much for Jack
to allow this thing with Sawyer to keep going.
~Evangeline

I loved Jack and Kate's kiss.
They really captured that moment, how it should be.
And that's tricky.
~Josh Holloway

Kate has a real journey to go on with Jack
~Evangeline

When she went back to get Jack, and she sees him
lying on the ground and she cried and said she was so sorry,
in that moment with him,
she realized how much she loved him.
~Evangeline

There is a huge, unknowable draw for Jack to Kate.
At the same time it's there and there's a real, internal,
struggle within him and between the two of them.
~Matthew

If Jack and Kate could just sort it out, they could make each other very happy.
Ultimately, that's what they need. Without love,
everything else pales and feels like the colors are turned down.
For Jack to give over to the vulnerability of loving Kate,
and for Kate to give that over to Jack, it would be so momentous,
and that's why they can't bring us there yet. Essentially,
what I feel it will represent is that they actually redeemed themselves.
They faced their demons and insecurities and made such a significant
step forward in their lives that they will probably now be harmonious
in a way they have never been before. But I don't think we can
bring them to that point yet.
It's too early. However, it would be so nice to not play this subtle angst
that has been going on for years and just play something
overt and on the nose. I think if you were watching a couple
like that who were your friends, you'd want to bang your
head against a wall. In this situation,
I feel the same thing on the outside looking in, thinking,
"Good grief! Just get to it already!"
It's hard being so torn all the time. Just settle down!
~Evangeline

I feel her bond with Jack is stronger than the bond
with Aaron. I feel that it's what will bring her to her knees,
it will be her bond with Jack
~Evangeline

When she goes back to the beach camp
and Jack gets sick and he says, "I want Kate in the room,"
Kate understands the magnitude of what that means.
It means that if he is seen breathing his dying breath,
the only person he wants to have at his side is Kate.
~Evangeline

Kate has managed to quietly walk around behind Jack
and clean up his messes, support him, as well as mess
things up for him and make things more difficult for him [laughs]!
But I feel like she is his right hand man in a beautiful way,
because in a platonic way, she's his lieutenant.
She serves him by being connected to the community
and is a bridge to the people that don't understand him.
She is almost like the consultant to the king.
If someone really wants to get a message to Jack, they go to Kate.
~Evangeline

Kate and Jack,where it all began
~Ido

The bond between Jack and Kate
is kind of the ultimate relationship
~Carlton Cuse



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J a c k & K a t e E x t r a s


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Alice took up the fan and as the hall was very hot, she kept fanning herself all the time she went on talking:
Dear, dear! How queer everything is today! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've been changed in the night.
Let me think. Was I the same when I got up this morning?
Who in the world am I...?




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T h e C h a r a c t e r s





P r o f i l e s



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W i s h l i s t





J a t e S t u f f





B e s t M o m e n t s







J: I did it to keep you safe. You & Aaron.
K: Don't you say his name! I still have to explain to him
why you're not there to read to him so don't you say his name!!!
J: I'm. I'm sorry.









K: Jack. Jack. You’re bleeding - are you -
J: How long was I out?
K: Two minutes. You slid away --







K: I'm sorry I kissed you.
J: I'm not.






K: Are you one of those hardcore spinal surgeons?
J: Yeah. That's me,Hardcore.








J: Hey. You okay?
K: Yeah. Its just that I love seeing you with him.
J: Yeah.
K: I'm so glad you changed your mind. I'm so glad you're here.
J: Me too.






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...Way up high, there's a land that I heard of, once in a lullaby.
Somewhere, over the rainbow, skies are blue.
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true.
Someday I'll wish upon a star and wake up where the clouds are far behind me.
That's where you'll find me.

A d a m & E v e
A tale as old as time...




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M a t t & E v i M a n i a






(ABC press tourJul 2004.)


(M&E give voices to their action figs)


(EW PS. January 2009 )


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S o u n d s








Click here to listen



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G i f O f T h e M o m e n t





C r e d i t s

Sally, Ahmed, Kate, Cinzia, Carrie, Franci


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You could put Jack and Kate on a New York City street
and have them pass each other at rush hour on a Wednesday morning.
And they would stop and turn,slowing to watch each other go by. They know each other within the context,
of an universal recognition.They have met before this life,and they will meet again in another.



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What happened between Jack and Kate in tonight's episode?
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Yeah, it was Cassidy who said that to Kate but IMHO, Cassidy read that wrong because she hasn't seen the film of events like we, the audience, have.

IMHO, Kate kept Aaron for herself to compensate not for a broken heart, but rather for her own screwed up family and character issues. She thought that giving herself the responsability of raising Aaron would solve the issues she retained from running away for so long and for her issues with both of her parents but she's now gonna learn to stop compensating and start facing on her own two feet her issues. That is terrific character development right there.
ITA with this. I don't think it had anything to do with Sawyer. I feel like Cassidy was speaking about her own issues and not Kate's. She was simply venting her issues through Kate. Kate never indicated that what Cassidy said was actually correct. I think that Kate is very confused at this moment. If you think about it Jack is a totally new person and Sawyer is with someone else. She's gonna have to find herself without anyone and I think this is the best choice for her character. This is turning out to be VERY good character development. Finally I think we will begin to see Kate find her redemption.
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I think Kate being alone for the rest of the season is a great idea.
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I think Kate being alone for the rest of the season is a great idea.
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I'm such a heartbroken Jater after tonight, like seriously! All this ep seemed to prove to me was Kate was settling and using Jack and Aaron the entire time off the island because she 'lost' Sawyer...and yeah, that seriously pisses me off! To me, it just continues to show Kate uses every single man/boy she comes across. Sorry if this post is very bitter...but I'm just really sad.

I can see both sides when it comes to Jack. He should've be willing to save an innocent boy, since he could have, but that conversation he had with Kate broke my heart...and I also understood that. I hated the thought of him being used AGAIN, in fear of seeing her with Sawyer...AGAIN!
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Same here! That way the whole picking up the pieces can take place!
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Kate kept Aaron for herself to compensate not for a broken heart, but rather for her own screwed up family and character issues. She thought that giving herself the responsability of raising Aaron would solve the issues she retained from running away for so long and from her issues with both of her parents but she's now gonna learn to stop compensating and start facing on her own two feet her issues. That is terrific character development right there.


Anji, there's nothing to prove that from the entire series So, they may have implied that for some reason but I don't accept something that comes about in one episode contradictory to everything the rest of serieshas shown.
I agree with those that said Cass was just using her own perspective and Kate NEVER confirmed that.
In fact, she SAID why she kept Aaron in TLP right before she said "I have always been with you" to Jack, and she repeated it to Cassidy in the beginning of this ep, her acquiesing that she "needed him" in the end doesn't mean its for the reason Cassidy said it was. And again, the entire series begs to differ on that.
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I'm such a heartbroken Jater after tonight, like seriously! All this ep seemed to prove to me was Kate was settling and using Jack and Aaron the entire time off the island because she 'lost' Sawyer...and yeah, that seriously pisses me off! To me, it just continues to show Kate uses every single man/boy she comes across. Sorry if this post is very bitter...but I'm just really sad.

I can see both sides when it comes to Jack. He should've be willing to save an innocent boy, since he could have, but that conversation he had with Kate broke my heart...and I also understood that. I hated the thought of him being used AGAIN, in fear of seeing her with Sawyer...AGAIN!
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Anji, there's nothing to prove that from the entire series So, they may have implied that for some reason but I don't accept something that comes about in one episode contradictory to everything the rest of serieshas shown.
I agree with those that said Cass was just using her own perspective and Kate NEVER confirmed that.
In fact, she SAID why she kept Aaron in TLP right before she said "I have always been with you" to Jack, and she repeated it to Cassidy in the beginning of this ep, her acquiesing that she "needed him" in the end doesn't mean its for the reason Cassidy said it was. And again, the entire series begs to differ on that.
Thanks for this post; I really needed an optimistic Jater right about now. I just don't know how much of this effin' triangle I can take! I'll be honest, that much makes me glad we only have one more season of this left. I want Jate to get their HAPPY ENDING though!
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I think this was a great episode for Jate. I feel like they are starting to get things off their chests. And it was also a good episode for them because it felt like closure for Skate... Kate saying goodbye to Aaron, based on the Kate and Cass scene (even though I don't buy that Sawyer broke her heart, at all) I think was symbolizing her saying goodbye to Sawyer, romantically, plus the mirroring of Jack saving Ben for Kate and Sawyer saving him for Juliet).

I swear it makes sense in my head.

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I'm such a heartbroken Jater after tonight, like seriously! All this ep seemed to prove to me was Kate was settling and using Jack and Aaron the entire time off the island because she 'lost' Sawyer...and yeah, that seriously pisses me off! To me, it just continues to show Kate uses every single man/boy she comes across. Sorry if this post is very bitter...but I'm just really sad.

I can see both sides when it comes to Jack. He should've be willing to save an innocent boy, since he could have, but that conversation he had with Kate broke my heart...and I also understood that. I hated the thought of him being used AGAIN, in fear of seeing her with Sawyer...AGAIN!
Aww, don't worry about that, BB. Cassidy read the situation wrong: Kate was not compensating for a 'broken heart' over Sawyer when she decided to raise Aaron. She thought that Aaron would rather compensate for all of the internal issues she inherited from running away from things all her life and all the issues she had with both of her parents.

And don't worry, Sawyer/Kate won't reunite, since it's been made clear how Sawyer is committed to Juliet.
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