ds44

or you know history. Granted the show is taking a lot of creative license but its still supposed to be about Mary Queen of Scots.

They key difference is that MB haven't really had a slow burn. They've already macked. The PJ comparison would make more sense if we were in like s2. But, I guess we'll see. No doubt MB are getting their development but there are other kinds of traingles (not just the tvd dc type). Also Laurie did work on Fel and she probably learned from her boss.

*~ Vintage Girl ~*

Sorry about the 3 posts in a row. My computer and FF had a battle going on late last night and that was the end result. I just saw it right now.

I think Dawson's Creek had some great characters that made great couples. I was always a huge DJ fan, but I enjoyed Joey and Pacey as well. Most of the main couples(gosh, there were so many) were okay to watch. AHH! I miss that show. That is what brought me here to FF. I had another name back then. Good times.

I definitely see them hinting to Mash. I just hope they give us something showing WHY Mary falls for him when all of it happens and not just jump right into it.

Mayberry

I know. Didn't Dawson's Creek have some great couples overall? I mean, not just the Joey ships. I'm going through the series and I really appreciate most of them on some level.

Right now, I mainly love Frary and Greer/Leith, but I do like most of the Reign characters so I really do hope they play around with the LIWs. I kinda think the series could use a third guy but I have no control over that.

youpin

And chemistry is subjective where you see so much chemistry with FM I see with BM. It seems pretty evenly split but one fanbase is more vocal than the other. This same thing happened on one of my soaps one fanbase thought they were bigger but in actuality wasn't just more vocal and the PTB went with them and then they could not get the numbers to show their popularity.

youpin

The whole show and the couples have been on speed because they want people interested so they sped up important moments like a first kiss, make love to ensure or make a possibility of a second season more likely. Even FM was rushed. I mean seriously for one of the couples to make love in episode 8 in the first season is ridiculous and I don't care if they knew each other when they were kids. FM needed more time to develop a relationship based on who they are now as adults not nostalgia from their childhood.

Leelala

well it works for me lol the time line doesnt have to match exactly.. that wasnt my main point.. my comparison comes from once friends turned into lovers and true love... Thats what my initial post was about...




Me too!! I think there is a lot of potential...


THIS!!!

Mayberry

Them having sex in episode 8 didn't seem rushed to me at all. They were practically engaged already and have been through a ton of stuff as a betrothed couple. This isn't a normal teenage couple by any means and seeing as politically arranged marriages happened with STRANGERS back then, it makes perfect sense. You have to look at the historical context where it was just as likely Mary would be married to another royal, a stranger, and have to sleep with him very soon.

youpin

I understand historical context but it was still rushed. It is a historical fiction so the writers had the opportunity to really develop these relationships/couples and they didn't.

I mean they had F/M and others kissing in public when it times like those all those things could compromise a lady so you can't say it is okay they slept together so quickly because of historical context but not take into account a lot of the situations that would compromise Mary's virtue not being relevant even if they were engaged.

FM were betrothed from since childhood but they barely knew each other as adults and they went through some things but the fact that Franco barely understood some of Mary's stance on certain subjects emphasizes even more that they did not know each other as adults, their views etc..

Mayberry

How much historical context do they need? The simple truth is that they did get married once Mary returned to court. Engagements weren't long back then and the real Mary documented that she knew Francis was the one in an instant. Should the show contradict Mary Queen of Scot's own words?

And maybe the writers already knew Mary wasn't going to marry another. Because yes, it was an instant connection based on Mary's own words. That's keeping within historical context. If Mary felt it, she felt it, and Francis was the love of her life. You can tell if you read her poems.

Do you just want them to throw away how the real Mary felt?

LostInTheSun

can you please not use the name of a dictator who had blood on his hands as a nickname for Francis please?

youpin

If you go by being historically accurate Francis was a sickly man and died and I am sure you would not like that and not what we have on screen for instance. So there can be liberties taken by the writers.

youpin

Sorry I keep mixing him up with a character that I hate from a soap called Franco and the two names are close.

Leelala

Thats my thought as well, MB have a much better understanding of each other and connect on a different, much deeper level which goes beyond childhood love and an arrangement.. The writers have laid the foundation for a deep MB love... Will they get married? no but the love will be there...

LostInTheSun

I'm wondering what are the stances on which Francis "barely understood Mary" because literally nothing is coming to mind.

Also I see you guys arguing that FM having sex after eight eps of going through hell together is rushed but no one is mentioning the fact that MB's kiss happened after five eps and four conversations (three out of these conversations being about Francis, including one where she specifically tells Bash how HAPPY Francis makes her). Lol ok our dictionaries obviously have a different entry for "rushed".

Leelala

The only thing I can comment on is Francis not having a good understanding of Mary and its happened throughout the season in almost every single episode... He is always questioning Mary's intentions and for me its not in a healthy way..