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What I find as problematic as the sexism I witness on the show is the treatment of POC. I find it ironic that only now is Kat speaking out against the terrible characterization and plotlines on the show. I fear it is because she was afraid she would lose her job and as a POC she realized how difficult it would be to find roles. The fact that Bonnie is the only one not to have any real love story is so blatant and it seems that JP tries to work around seeming racially biased by creating it so that all the witches are black. That way a POC is always somehow featured on her show, while actually having no perspective or voice.
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I have a feeling Julie Plec is well aware that Elena willingly being with Damon would send a very wrong message. She just refuses to address it publicly; instead she came up with the sire bond storyline in order to make Delena happen without it being Elena's choice.
And I'm honestly not sure what's worse: having Elena come to terms with her attraction to Damon and willingly choose him despite everything he's done, or having her be with Damon while she has absolutely no agency? I think I'm leaning towards the latter being worse. If there was more emphasis on Elena struggling with the moral implications of her attraction to Damon, I could be okay with it, just like I was okay with Spuffy. While I think Spike (before he had a soul) was as horrible a person as Damon is, I never really had a big issue with Buffy's attraction to him, because we witnessed her deeply struggling with it, and she was well aware of how wrong it was. We haven't really seen that with Elena. |
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I liked it when she stood up for others and herself. In season 1, she was the moral compass, albeit sometimes this made her "judgy" or annoying to some, I loved it. Every show needs that one character who will stand up to speak when something is wrong, but as the seasons dragged on Bonnie started to lose that charm. Now we rarely see any moments of anyone questioning right and wrong, good and evil. IMO, ignoring this element of the show is how JP is even able to write around issues like rape, sexism and so much more. __________________
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I'm glad we saw such a struggle for Buffy too. Elena just lets Damon do anything to her and the people she loves and accepts it like it's nothing. The line about how she likes him the way he is now made me sick. I was hoping she only said that because he was dying but I was wrong. __________________
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As far as Elena goes, I hate that the writers use Elena's compassion as an excuse for her to be accepting of the way Damon behaves. Just because you are compassionate, doesn't mean you are a dumb ass. __________________
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Ohh I like this thread.
Can we talk about how the show wants us to excuse characters like Klaus and Damon with all the bad they do but they've suddenly have Elena blaming Katherine for every terrible thing that's happened to her? If Elena was just pissed at her for killing her brother I'd be okay with it but Elena who knows that Klaus is why Katherine is the way she is seems to be think Katherine is the root of all evil. I'd like to think because Elena knows that she can't kill Klaus but it just seems like Elan has only tried to kill the women on the show when her humanity was off. Now that it's on she seems seems to blame Katherine. Not Damon who killed Jeremy before, not Stefan who could've left Mystic Falls after realizing she's not Katherine and not the man who forced an innocent girl to kill herself just to survive because of what she can do for him. I can't even get into how they treat Bonnie. I might raise my blood pressure. |
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When I used to watch The Vampire Diaries in the early seasons, I really liked Bonnie and I liked that she wouldn’t take Damon’s crap. It’s too bad that they apparently ruined her character. Quote:
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When Damon forced the corsage on Elena in the prom episode, I was wondering why she didn't attack him right there. This is a guy who has been attempting to force her into things for 3 seasons (and actually succeeded via a sire bond this season) and now she's a vampire and she's bad enough that she's in a state where she'd kill her best friends, but Damon can STILL have his way with her. I mean really. Even with no ~compassion (an excuse JP likes to stand behind), she wasn't allowed to stand up for herself.
Meanwhile she tries to kill Caroline for telling her what to do. And Bonnie for no reason whatsoever. __________________
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Also it was quite disgusting that it took Matt's life to snap her out of her funk. JP says its because he's human but April and Sheriff Forbes are also human and she didn't hesitate to attack then. And what is Caroline Dries obsession with women getting beaten or tortured in her episodes? __________________
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Bonnie is the classic example of a magical negro and it's funny how many people try to deny that. Everytime the way she is treated is brought up, there is always someone who says something like "I don't even see her as black" or "No one would call her a servant if she was white." I recently found the perfect video that describes how Bonnie is a magical negro, although Melina doesn't actually use Bonnie as her example. But if you replace the character she uses with Bonnie, then nothing would change. She even gives a shoutout to Bonnie at the end of the video. The Magical Negro - YouTube __________________
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uhh...is this a serious thread?
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doesn't belong here. you could overanalzye anything on tv or in the theatres as ot "social issues".
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