The Blacklist - The Cleaner [Mr. Kaplan | Susan Blommaert] #9: "I'm not going to prison, Raymond. Pull the trigger. Release the truth." - Page 17

Lauren Helen Graham · 11-24-2018, 12:23 PM

Yes, Red was born in 1960

Miranda · 11-25-2018, 11:46 AM

Okay than I am going to fix her OP and update it.

ETA: OP has been updated.

Lauren Helen Graham · 11-25-2018, 12:49 PM

Oh wow, it's a fantastic OP!

I love it so much.

And see, now that's a pity that we never got a gravestone

Fangirl49 · 11-27-2018, 12:34 PM

How do you know Red was born in 1960?

I think there is a headstone. Red meets Liz there... oh no never mind. That was Lizs grave.

Lauren Helen Graham · 11-30-2018, 01:10 AM

Okay, lets say the real Raymond Reddington was born in 1960

Because it's mentioned in season 1.

Miranda · 11-30-2018, 12:00 PM

Maybe he made it into Kaplan's grave since Liz wasn't dead..

Thanks Kris.

His date of birth is also on his wanted poster. They used James' birthday.

Lauren Helen Graham · 12-02-2018, 12:27 PM

Hm, I never thought about that... What happened to Liz's gravestone?

Did they get rid of it again?

That's what I assumed as well. The date of birth being on his wanted poster but I wasn't sure.

Fangirl49 · 12-03-2018, 12:13 PM

Rewatched the scene where Kaplans driving Liz and Tom to the disco to have the baby.

And I could tell she was upset in the scene. I guess it is where she decided to go against Red.

The ending makes me so furious with her. Seeing Reds grief all over again. How he trusts Kaplan with the body.

Miranda · 12-03-2018, 01:45 PM

I definitely think that that was the moment when she decided to put Liz and her baby first and go against.

As she said to Red in Requiem, that if she would ever have to choose between him and Liz, she would choose Liz.

Fangirl49 · 12-04-2018, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Miranda (View Post)

I definitely think that that was the moment when she decided to put Liz and her baby first and go against.

As she said to Red in Requiem, that if she would ever have to choose between him and Liz, she would choose Liz.

Which was a lie. At the end, she didn't choose Liz.

Miranda · 12-05-2018, 10:36 AM

No she didn't. I think she chose herself over both of them. She probably couldn't live with all that she did any longer?

Fangirl49 · 12-05-2018, 12:48 PM

I will never understand. The bag of bones sent danger to Liz

She made another guest appearance on Bull last night

Lauren Helen Graham · 12-06-2018, 01:36 AM

Aww, Marilyn, you already re-watched the episode. I still have to do so. I'll see if I'll manage today...

But yeah, that's been the moment she decided to go against Red. It's what she tells Red.

And still I don't understand it. Why then?

And true, her statement was a lie because in the end she even betrayed Liz.

She's even responsible for Tom's death, the death of their little family because of the actions she started before her death.

Fangirl49 · 12-06-2018, 12:21 PM

And that moment she's so sarcastic because they are saying warehouse and she says it's s disco. So with my first watch, I didn't see that moment as a sign of things to come.

Lauren Helen Graham · 12-08-2018, 07:21 AM

Me neither... And it still doesn't seem to me to be the moment where she completely changed her mind and switched allegiance completely.


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