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Old 03-16-2017, 11:18 AM
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I agree with guys. I wonder why we don't see it. Maybe we don't want to see it and we are too biased when it comes to Red?
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Old 03-16-2017, 01:20 PM
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I agree with guys. I wonder why we don't see it. Maybe we don't want to see it and we are too biased when it comes to Red?
Exactly, Miranda. I'm very big fan of James Spader. And when I see him, hear his voice - yes, I mostly agree with you. But when I remember just facts we know...
Try to imagene Nicolas Cage as Red (I don't like him so I choose him as example) - and may be you'll see what I see.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:08 AM
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So I just need to think of an actor I hate and picture them in the part. Lol. I will give it a try.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:28 PM
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Yeah, maybe we're simply not objective anymore. But man, it's so many people I know... How is that possible? Red for sure has really bad sides but the first thing that came to my mind when Kaplan betrayed him was, that he needs to kill her now. It's just in his nature, it's in his criminal business and she knew it. She knew exactly what he did to people who betray him... It's all so messed up
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:58 AM
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Exactly, Miranda. I'm very big fan of James Spader. And when I see him, hear his voice - yes, I mostly agree with you. But when I remember just facts we know...
Try to imagene Nicolas Cage as Red (I don't like him so I choose him as example) - and may be you'll see what I see.
You have a point there. I am going to try that.

Yes Kaplan knew exactly what Red does to people that betray him so she sealed her faith herself.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:23 PM
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And nevertheless she took the risk... Why do you guys think she did it?
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:36 PM
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I think she did it because she thought she could truly keep Liz and Agnes safe and give them another life. What do you think?
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Old 03-22-2017, 04:24 AM
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I absolutely think she did it solely for Liz and Agnes
I do wonder whose idea it was to begin with
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:08 AM
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It almost seems like it should have been planned in advance instead of an idea you come up with in the middle of childbirth with the bad guys coming at you.

It just seems so illogical and such a big risk. How could you possibly assume it would work in the situation they were in.
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:22 AM
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Well, the plan itself I actually thought was clever
But it does seem like it should've been prepped
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Old 03-22-2017, 10:35 AM
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You are so right Marilyn. Kaplan must have been preparing for this cause you can't think f something like this and get everything arranged within an hour or so. So I have a feeling that Kaplan was planning this for some time and therefore I think it was her who came up with the entire idea.
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Old 03-22-2017, 11:15 AM
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It certainly doesn't seem like a spur of the moment idea. And that really makes me question her loyalty.
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Old 03-22-2017, 11:21 AM
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But then if she had been planning it, how'd she know Liz'd go for it?
I get the idea, but I don't know if I see that happening.
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:02 PM
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Unless she and Liz were taking on the side. Idk. You know there is that scene when Tom is hurt and Liz Nick and tom have a complain session about Red.
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:21 PM
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I have no idea which scene you're referring to (but that's usually the case for me, so don't take it personally ). Was that in the same ep?
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