evil_hypnotoad

But that is your interpretation. I haven't seen it as noble act, not sure why you saw it as one

David?? Did he kill someone?

Srta_Parker

No he didn´t. I don´t talk about turning them into a killers. I´m talking that know he´s a damaged character. They put him a death body near him and now he has to send a innocent to prison to save his life.

Cristofle

I didn't remotely see it as a noble act, but that doesn't mean it wasn't written as such (in reference to Jake talking to James at the end). Look all over this thread- people are interpreting it as compassionate. And I think Shonda may well have written it as such. For me, that only makes it more delusional and sadistic.

And there IS a difference on a television show in killing a stranger or a villain, and killing a significant character who had generally been written as sympathetic (and I wasn't overwhelmingly fond of James, I mostly saw him as weak, so that's not my fandom talking). Morally in the real world, it doesn't matter who you kill, if you shoot an unarmed person in the back, or hire someone to kill a pregnant woman. The acts are equally heinous (and I think Cyrus is a monster, make no mistake about it). From a storyline position? I can't imagine even Shonda had Jake brutally murder James onscreen, and then level a thinly veiled threat at Olivia herself ("Bad things happen to good people all the time"), and expect him to keep going. I don't think he's long for this world. What bothers me is I think she ultimately will attempt to write him out as some tragic hero, with James' blood still wet on his hands.

Srta_Parker

I agree

ChakotaysLover

So..... Huck.... Quinn.... and a wall.... o_O..... ok....

~Janice~

That was different but it's Huck and Quinn so

Ck2001

I don't know that I think it showed Jake cared, but I have to agree with everything else you said. I cried from the time the flashback of the dance started all the way through James' death. The episode was exceptionally done and very emotional. I was glad James wasn't alone when he died, yet even as much as I liked the scene, I am sorry Jake is who was with him. Jake was far too emotionally detached for my taste. Overall, I am still trying to understand why James had to die to protect the republic, but David didn't. I think they both should have lived or died, not one or the other.

helpmenow

Cared was probably the wrong word choice to use. I think James died because he started to run. I feel like if he didn't run, it might have made a difference.

~Janice~

I think Jake Command spared David's life because he would find his position more useful to cover this up and possibly other things in the future.

Ck2001

If Jake had called out or run after him before he shot him, I might think that was why. I think James was going to die no matter what he did.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Srta_Parker

James was going to die even if he didn´t run. Jake was there to kill them. And the reason he didn´t kill David was that he´s the state prosecutor and probably because Olivia.

Ck2001

I think I would feel a lot better about Jake's character if he'd just said he killed James because he couldn't keep his big mouth shut, instead of trying to pass it off as something, as someone else said, more noble. James died because he got mad at Cyrus and ran his mouth about something he would not have under ordinary circumstances (at least I don't think he would have). He was looking for a way to get back at Cyrus, found it and paid the ultimate price for it. I have been angry at Cyrus for what he did to James and at James for what he did to Cyrus since it happened. I am just sorry to see James go.

As for the rest of the episode, I had a huge WTH moment when Quinn and Huck kissed. I am so confused by them right now!! lol

Loved Abby with David.

I have been on the outs with Olivia's character since she slept with Jake this last time, so in the last episode, when Andrew said he wished Fitz could see Mellie the way he does, I found myself wishing that too. I really like the side of Mellie we see when she is with Andrew.

Srta_Parker

I love that side of Mellie too!!!

~Janice~

I know I was surprised but then I wasn't. Crazy, unpredictable

Wes&FredFan

I loved the flashbacks, watching how Cyrus/James started. It was clear Cyrus felt something for James right away, though he wasn't ready to admit to his sexuality. He was newly divorced and scruffy. when James says he refuses to accept advice from somebody with a "neckbeard" . The dance was a touching moment, watching Cyrus effectively come out of the closet and say, "Okay ... this is me. And this is the man I love." It was a sweet scene. I bawled when he cried at the podium, because he was truly feeling the loss of the love of his life. Jeff Perry was phenomenal in this episode.

I do not support what Jake did.