Originally Posted by itsmemandy (Post 80324118)

It's not adultery if the kennash marriage is annulled, if she marries Antoine and becomes his wife. It's actually another marriage so it's not adultery. I would actually love to see her succeed in marrying Antoine, and if she becomes his wife and ends up cheating on Antoine with Bash, I would love to hear your thoughts about her adultery at that moment since clearly she will be cheating on a narcisstic dangerous man and not on a loyal humble man so perhaps it makes it more okay for you if she cheats on Antoine and not on Bash.

I like Bash from S1, but I like Kenna too, and she's not her true self with him. At least not now. And to be frank Bash's loyalty is a bore and it makes him lack personality. Antoine is far more exciting, but that's just my opinion, please accept that. I understand that you ship Kennash, and that you want Bash to be happy *at the expense of Kenna* but I do not care for his happiness if it undermines the happiness of someone else.
Also, Bash's morals ? Ok, so killing people because they saw too much or heard too much is moral ? Lying to your wife without showing any remorse is moral ? framing people is moral ?

Antoine is not narcissistic. I don't know if you actually paid some attention to the show, but the Valois family killed his brother, and they got away with it, it is only logical to seek some kind of revenge. Yes he likes to throw parties and enjoy himself, but should everyone on the show be pining in misery ? Kenna likes parties as well, she wants a good life, she wants love and jewels and riches and power, why do you judge her for that ?
Also, I do not even understand why you call him a narcissistic person, give me arguments, please by all means perhaps you will change my thoughts on the subject.

Bash isn't doing his job for both him and Kenna. He's doing his job for him and for his brother, because those two matter more to him than his wife's happiness. Have you not realise that she's unhappy ? Do you want Kenna to be miserable just because you want her to be something that brings joy to one of the leads/fan favorites ? Because to be honest that's the only explanation. Kenna didn't just move on the moment they started having issues in their marriage. She tried, she's been here for him, many times, she has supported him and been a loyal wife, waited for him, took care of him when he came to her wounded. All he did was leave her alone even more, lie to her about his sister and he actually let her believe that it was because she was the king's cast of mistress that Claude didn't want to talk to her, do you just realise how insecure she must have felt ? She gets to be called the king's whore everyday because her husband lacks in station and when he finally had the chance to make people respect her, he chose to refuse the Duchy without even consulting her because apparently his loyalty to his brother matters a lot more.

Also, I'm not expecting them to play house together, this is a drama show :) I want drama. I expect some build up of the relationship, maybe some scheming, awkward moments with Bash, problems with the rule, the fact that he wants revenge against the Valois and Kenna's ties to that family, it's actually more interesting of an sl than having Kenna waiting for loyal Bash to come home and stop judging her for who she is. It's a more interesting sl than having Kenna live happily ever after with Bash. Antoine and Kenna can be the next Anne Boleyn and Henri Tudor, and though it was a tragic story it was a beautiful one.

Originally Posted by itsmemandy (Post 80324575)

You're entitled to your personal opinion and I respect it as I hope you'll respect mine. I shipped Kennash for a long time but now, I just had enough, and Antoine is much better than Bash in my opinion.
Bash takes his orders from his father and brother, king... That makes him a puppet and that's actually one of the reason I dislike him because he does everything Francis tells him to do, without questionning it, and that just proves how much he lacks of personality, which makes him boring in my opinion. ( Like I said before feel free to disagree)

Also, I asked you earlier: if Kenna ends up marrying Antoine, would you be as upset if she cheats on him with Bash ? Or is it just because you don't want her with Antoine ? And this whole "cheating is bad" is just an excuse to make it bad for her to go for Antoine ?

About Antoine being a narcissistic sociopath :

He seemed sad when he spoke about his wife to Conde, he seemed hurt that she didn't want him by her side in the end. You could clearly see it in his face that he didn't want to talk about it because he was hurt and besides, their marriage is falling apart.
He doesn't want to break up a marriage for his own fun. Bash is the man who killed his brother. If you were in front the murderer of your brother/close one what will you do ? How will you react ? Especially if he got away with it ? Wouldn't you want revenge ? It's a normal thing, it's not being narcissistic.

About Kantoine

I do not pretend to know that these two will be a canon thing, I don't even know if she will consider his offer, but what I do know is that they have potential and I would like for them to be together because they are alike, like it or not.

About Kenna becoming strong and loyal

Kenna is morally grey. She's ambitious, naive, selfcentered, perceptive, loyal, caring, a skilled manipulator, a seductress...
She is so many things. You can't just want her to fit in a box just to serve the purpose of one character. It doesn't make sense. They're not using Kenna at her full advantage, they're only using the good sides, to make us believe that she changed for love to be a better person. But isn't marriage made of compromises ? Why didn't Bash change ?



Kenna's actions ? For now, she has done nothing and nothing has changed. It's been months now that Bash is disappearing, and he didn't change a thing even though he knows she's unhappy, so no it's not Kenna's actions that made it impossible it's Bash's.

I understand your take on marriage, but when you're the only one trying to be in a better place it gets tiring and eventually you just give up, and if you're unhappy with someone, especially when there's no kids yet, my advice is to get a divorce or an annullement, because that's how you'll stay sane, and that's how you can be happy. There's no point in being miserable and wasting your time on someone who doesn't make any effort, and Bash doesn't make any effort.
Also, it's not being a coward to take the way out. It actually takes courage to do so, she admitted to herself, that it's over, Bash and her are just too different, he doesn't make her happy, she wants more, so she's finding a way out. What's the problem with that ?
Besides, I mentionned before that Kenna didn't just bail of him at the first mention of marital discord. She really tried, but like any other person she has her limits.

Originally Posted by itsmemandy (Post 80406813)

I hope he falls for her as well, they would make such an awesome couple, they're so cute together :love:

Originally Posted by itsmemandy (Post 80407592)

I actually shipped Kenna with everyone, and not too long ago, I shipped her with Bash, but he's been acting weird, and I realised that they're just too different and he just can't make her happy, I doubt he can make anyone happy because he's basically married to his job :rolleyes:, and her relationship with Bash changed her so much into a goody goody character, and I think that's a shame because Kenna is not supposed to be good, she's a layered character, and I just love that Antoine brings that side of her, I know that he's using her, but I have some hope that it will be a lot more meaningful in time. Besides, Antoine and Kenna are so similar in a freaky way, seriously even their smile are the same. I have a feeling the writers did that on purpose, they have so much in common that's why I believe they can develop into something more in time.
There's just something about them :sigh::love:
They're just so cute and the way he looks at her is :thud: I have no words :lol:

Originally Posted by drunkalice (Post 80408555)

I think you all have a point here, and the way Bash acted is what makes our POVs so different. I do believe Kenna and Bash love each other. I have little doubt about that. But I also think they let their sexual chemistry sweep under the carpet all the differences they had. Bash acted like Kenna's hopes for a nice life were some sort of quirks to smile about, Kenna acted like she had to be ashamed of it. Let's not forget her total devotion and admiration for him. She saw him like a saint. She'd wonder around the palace telling how honest he is. She pretty much put him first, and that's where he failed to reciprocate. And that's where they were not equal. Let's imagine for a moment that Bash ended up with Mary: Would he not have consulted her and asked for her approval before he'd hang a tapestry on the wall? Would he not have begged for her permission before he'd take an orphan boy home, would he not have told her all of his secrets and showered her with titles if he had had any way to get them, or if he she had needs them? He certainly would never have left her alone most of the time, omitting to say where he was going and failing to be her plus one anywhere. So here's the thing, Bash has most things wrong with both Mary and Kenna. He was way too devoted to the former and way too little with the latter. I think Kenna must realize that somewhere in her heart. She let pieces of herself go in order to be with Bash. It was all too easy for Antoine to sneak into that marriage because the girl was unsatisfied on many levels.
She didn't cheat on her husband. She never encouraged Antoine. I understand that no renaissance housewife (which Kenna is, for her standards) would have planned a party with another man, but this is Reign and he is a married king, so I think in her head all was fine, and it was. She had no idea he wouldn't have sent Bash that message. She was constantly looking at the door to see him come in, as she had done everytime Antoine had been around so far. Ultimately she forgot about him and had fun. Is it wrong? I think this has more to do with our view on relationships than it does with Kenna or Bash, but we should keep in mind that she never planned to be at that party without her husband.
Kenna might be obsessed with a nice life, but Bash seems to be disturbingly obsessed with NOT having it. He left a duchy to his mother and didn't even think to ask his wife first. What's so dreadful about a duchy for a son and brother of kings? What's so wrong about consulting one's wife? Kenna would ask Bash before she'd buy a lapdog. She would share every detail of her life with Bash. In turn she got secrets, secrets, secrets. Oh, that included an incest.

On a different show, this would all be dealt with after Antoine. Actually, Antoine would make a third party, someone who would stay for multiple Episodes and provide a confrontation between KB. In a typical trope he would also fall for Kenna for real. But this is Reign and he'll probably be gone before doing any good.

Originally Posted by drunkalice (Post 80409503)

True. And part of why we are intrigued by Kantoine is the fact that Kennash had that kind of potential. We saw too little of the flirty part, and practically no courting. Since we were told that Bash was bad news with women, it was a total waste. And now Antoine is playing the bad news.

That said, I don't think Kantoine go anywhere near Henry/Anne. Which is only good for Kenna, though.

Originally Posted by Pirouline (Post 80410448)

Euh...
What means "to be bad news with women"?
It is an expression?

Originally Posted by itsmemandy (Post 80412744)

Iquitefancyyou Same, I will continue to ship them even if she chooses Bash because they're just :thud: something else omg. They're have so much chemistry and you can clearly see how much he makes her happy, she doesn't have to pretend with him, she can be who she is, and Ben Aldridge is so hot, I kind of prefer him to Torrance :lol:

Pirouline I think they have so much in common not only their smile, and they actually explicitly mentionned it in the show, so I doubt it's a coincidence. Like both of them have a little bit of a reputation. Before getting to know them, people underestimate them, they think they're selfcentered, and reckless spenders when they're not. They both like extravagant things, and they actually like parties and dressing good, and they're ambitious, and also they both have someone in their inner circle who gives them a look whenever they say something stupid, they're both ok to watch people have sex, they're protective of the people they care about but do not particularly care for others...
I can litteraly go on for ages because seriously they're the same person.
Besides, look at this two picture, it's the same freaking smile : ]

Alice ITA with all that you said, Bash doesn't treat her in a good way, he takes her for granted and doesn't put her first, but the worst thing is that he judges her for being who she truly is, and it came to a point where she felt so ashamed of who she was that she pretended to be someone else, and I feel like it's wrong. I saw potential in Kennash, I loved them so much and I still think Torrance and Caitlin have an amazing chemistry, but that's all it is. Their story isn't what I thought it would be, it was rushed, and now that I think of it with a clear mind, from the moment they started sleeping together, Kenna changed into someone else. I do believe that they still love each other a lot, but sometimes you're just too different, and eventually you grow apart, and no matter how much she tries, Kenna can't be the only one who holds it together.
We didn't see them flirt or anything, and even now, Bash doesn't seem jealous, he seems angry, annoyed, almost abusive, and I hated every part of it. Not to mention the fact that everytime he interrupts Kentoine, Kenna's smile go away.
I mean clearly Antoine knows what makes her happy and is willing to make her happy, Bash thinks that what makes her happy is petty and stupid.
So I guess I want Kentoine to happen, because they have the potential to be a great SL, the actors have a lot of chemistry, and frankly it's the best choice for her, if she ever wants to find happiness.
I doubt KB is going to change, Bash is never going to stop his battles for his brother, he's never going to sit back home and enjoy his day with his wife, like that's not going to happen. I know a show needs drama, but if that's the only drama they can provide for Kennash, I'm not here to watch that. I much prefer a drama show where Kenna is a queen, where she screws up her rule and has to fix everything with Antoine's help or even on her own. I mean seriously anything would be better than Kenna being home alone waiting for a husband who doesn't care.

Originally Posted by Pirouline (Post 80414947)

Agree with you : Ben is hothothot!!!!!
Not wanting to disappoint you but I doubt Kenna will end being a queen...
If she ever ends being something different than what she is now, it will be a divorced young woman having not big hopes of finding someone...
:(