FoxPhile

Red Red Wine

Thank you for the efforts.

The Lisbon in this episode is a bit different than the one we are accustomed to over the years.

She was on the verge of roughing up Cho for allowing Jane to hypnotize a girl to get to know the relationship between the victim and a suspect.

And she would later on lecture Van Pelt for trying to say something about her past of having an alcoholic Dad, when Van Pelt was merely doing it in a discreet way and out of compassion when they were seen leaving the house of the victim's father.

Maybe the character was still to take shape by then and Robin and the writers were still working on it.

FoxPhile

This is the first opportunity (I think) that we get to see that there's a big kid inside of Patrick Jane. One that, in these early days, still struggles to come out from under the blanket of hurt and grief that he's burdened with, but one that is still very strong. I think it's a significant part of what makes the character of Jane more human - and not simply a one-dimensional man on a mission of revenge. It also gives us a glimpse of what he might have been like as a father - which adds a level of pathos to the character and the show. Getting such a vivid reminder of what the man has lost makes you feel for him that much more. I think it's part of what allows us to forgive him virtually anything in future episodes - including what amounts to murder.

Red Red Wine

My guess is the fun-loving side of Jane might have a balancing effect in his personality and might be important for him to function as a human being considering the guilt and shame that is ridden in him.

KeithUrbanfan

do you think if he and lisbon have a daughter she will act like the bucket kid?

Red Red Wine

Jane and Lisbon seem sensible people to me and I believe they would make good parents. Also there is a chance that the child would get the best of both worlds: brilliant and street-wise and also virtuous and courageous.

KeithUrbanfan

ah nice just curious

FoxPhile

I always think of this one as The Mentalist meets Baywatch - just without the red suits.

KeithUrbanfan

Lol

FoxPhile

I also wonder how long it must have taken Jane to build that awesome sand castle!

KeithUrbanfan

Me too can I ask do you think he was jealous of that dude who hit on lisbon in the episode the one who said if she was younger hed give her a shot?

FoxPhile

At that point, I don't think Jane was jealous, if only because he didn't feel he had a right to be jealous. But I do think he thought the guy was no way good enough for Lisbon. If the guy had tried to put the moves on her, Jane would have found some sneaky way to put a stop to it.

KeithUrbanfan

Just curious

KeithUrbanfan

Good point

FoxPhile

On the other hand, the one thing that I keep forgetting is that as of S1, Jane had been working with Lisbon for 5 years. So it's possible that he did have those feelings, knew he had them and was jealous. I still think he was at a point where he felt he had no right to those feelings - that his only focus in life had to be Red John. So he would never express his jealousy or his love or let it show. But that doesn't mean he wasn't feeling it.