~Janice~

What a mess, cheating Tino he admitted what he did was wrong but Rachel wanted to hear more. Not sure there was anything else to say

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Tino was def in the wrong for cheating, i.e. kissing someone else. But, Rachel couldn't even accept his apology, even if she didn't want to be with him, and I think she was way too hard on him. Obviously, there was A LOT of miscommunication & Tino knew he was wrong the second it happened, and told Rachel he wanted to be with her. Of course, I'm not condoning what he did, but I think there was A LOT more to it than what we just saw on TV, and Rachel was looking for someway to get out of it, and used Tino's mistake to do it.

Aven coming out on stage and asking her out right in front of Tino was just so AWKWARD. I hope Aven sees what a manipulative person she is and dumps her fast! The whole ending with Rachel just made me wish even more that we had gotten a whole season with just Gabby and no Rachel. She was just not the right person and despite some of Gabby's flaws, she was much more entertaining than Rachel was. I haven't watched her proposal yet, but I hope her and Erich work out! And the whole "blackface" thing I have heard about, COME ON! He did it when he was in high school! HIGH SCHOOL! Get over yourself, people! It's like the Matt & Rachael thing all over again. People do stupid things when they're young, and, unfortunately, it may catch up to them in the future, but you don't "cancel" someone & chastise someone for a mistake they made when they were 15-18 years old. I just... can't. Whatever.

Anyway, BIP premieres tonight! Can't wait to see & hear the theme song! That's my favorite part!

~Janice~

I was surprised Tino came clean and told her, but he probably thought it would come out anyway. My impression of him was that he just wanted to win On the ATFR show I don't think it was right to bring Aven out on stage while Tino was still sitting there, it seemed humiliating Even Zack said Rachel was different behind closed doors than on camera. I agree that Gabby should have been on the season by herself, Rachel is just a drama queen

~Janice~

I like BIP so far this season. I think Brandon and Serene are a cute couple

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I haven't watched any of BIP yet...

Gabby got the first perfect score of the season on DWTS!

~Janice~

Former Bachelorettes do well on this show. Kaitlyn and Hanna both won their season. I like Gabby, hope she wins

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So happy for Madison!

'Bachelor' Alum Madison Prewett Marries Grant Troutt in Romantic Texas Ceremony

~Janice~

Good for her

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I started reading Nick's book the other day!


And in other (non-surprising) news...

Gabby Windey Hints at Taking Space From Erich Schwer After Ditching Engagement Ring

Bachelorette’s Gabby Windey Says She and Erich Schwer Are "Supporting Each Other From Afar"

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~Janice~

Already? not surprising. Why do these guys think they can come on this kind of a show with things in their recent past that could come back to haunt them How is Nick's book anyway?

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Nothing is "private" these days because of social media and the iCloud. But I do believe that things that happened in the past, should stay in the past. Don't bring it up in the present to try to convince someone that their fiancée is this terrible person. People grow & change and CAN learn from things, so people need to let things go and move on and get over it.

So far so good! I haven't gotten very far into it. I'm still reading the Introduction. But I keep saying to myself, "I can't believe I'm actually reading & wanting to read Nick Viall's book!" If you had told me 5 years ago I would be, I'd have laughed in your face!

~Janice~

I wasn't crazy about Nick until he became the Bachelor. Is he serious about anyone yet or just a serial dater

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Almost time for a new thread, so I'll go ahead & start one, then reply to your question.

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