This. I'm not trying to be a B,but this is what pisses me off about the show. Unless you're one of a select few characters,you get treated like crap. It's also perfectly okay for stuff to make no sense,too.

I love Hook,even if his resemblance to Captain Jack was off-putting at first. The thing is,I was willing to let him go. I'm big into the comic fandoms and if my posts crossed a line here,you don't want to know how characters deaths get over there. Imagine if they killed Belle or Charming. Everyone would be furious, but after the angry hate mail, we'd be forced to accept their choice,even if it makes them a monster.

It makes you bitter and you cry,but bringing back the dead as fanservice is terrible writing. I would have rather Hook die than have them break their own code. Why the hell does Hook get brought back, but Robin dies? With that logic,Milah and Neal need to come back,too. :rant:

I think it's because it's season 5. Shows usually start to fade in quality,because after the 5th episode,they can become syndicated and do reruns. The 100th episode is extremely important, too.

I despised the Emma as the Dark One storyline. Her look was unflattering,she seemed too repressed and I wasn't surprised when she said she wanted to destroy darkness. I died laughing, but I wasn't surprised. The only cool part was Merlin, Nimue and the Dark One history. If you want to be the Dark One, as yourself "What Would Rumple Do?"

This is the same damn thing and it's not even going to last. I'm not trying to be mean to OQ fans, but all the darkness b.s. cannot possibly defeat SQ's love. I hate that Regina suffered and Emma got her happiness, but I'll be underwhelmed. The only part that seems interesting is Henry removing magic.

I was able to find humor in it. I think TBTB did it because they're being lazy and ran out of ideas. :rolleyes:

I've started looking at each episode as completely stand alone, or each scene for that matter. That way I can enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Against_all_odds;86036679]This. I'm not trying to be a B,but this is what pisses me off about the show. Unless you're one of a select few characters,you get treated like crap. It's also perfectly okay for stuff to make no sense,too.

I love Hook,even if his resemblance to Captain Jack was off-putting at first. The thing is,I was willing to let him go. I'm big into the comic fandoms and if my posts crossed a line here,you don't want to know how characters deaths get over there. Imagine if they killed Belle or Charming. Everyone would be furious, but after the angry hate mail, we'd be forced to accept their choice,even if it makes them a monster.


I do think it was wrong to kill Robin after a UW arc. I am Cser so I am glad is back so I am a little selfish with but I don't like Robin death

I don’t post much, and when I do, it tends to be more of the “critical of the show” type of posts but I have some thoughts that don’t seem to want to leave my head, so maybe this will help me clear my head. Warning: this may get lengthy. Disclaimer: I watch this show mainly as a fan of the Charming family. I have found other stories and relationships compelling, but I got drawn into the show as a Charming family fan.

The last few seasons it seems like it has become too much trouble for the show to provide any action with the dialogue. What I mean here is if you go back to season one, dialogue happened as people where actually doing something trivial, ie Mary Margaret and Emma talked while MM was folding laundry, two characters talked while having a meal at Granny’s. Dialogue seemed more organic. Now they all stand around or sit amongst books talking at each other until the next big action sequence. The creators sort of dismiss this as “they are dealing with something/someone evil, no time to eat or do any other little things involved with living”.

Although I appreciate the fact that there have been more Charming family moments the last few episodes, I feel like they are using Emma calling them mom and dad as a stand-in for family development. In last night’s episode, every time Emma spoke to Snow she said “mom” at the end of the sentence. In normal day to day interactions, especially if it’s just me and one of my kids, they don’t say “mom” at the end of each sentence. I know they are speaking to me without the “mom” addendum. Yes, it’s nitpicky but like I say, I think it gets used so they can say “we had a family moment”.

Finally, Captain Swan. It would have broken thousands of hearts, but I think it would have had more impact had they let Hook’s death stand. They actually had a rather beautiful scene of him going thru the light and that had impact. I know character death during sweeps is an overused trope, but if you are going to have the characters actually say farewells and actually die, it should stick. You cheapen death when you decide you can’t kill a major character. And let’s be honest, there have been lots of deaths on this show, but not really of a major character. I was a fan of Sanctuary, and was upset when they killed off Ashley. And if there was a show that could probably get away with bringing a character back, that was one of them. But they never did, no matter what the backlash.

Again, apologies about the length :embarrassment:

No,you're all right. I watch Legends of Tomorrow and they brought back half of an epic comic book couple. They killed him and kept insisting he's gone now and they brought him back. It's not because they believe in true love or that they'll have another lifetime of happiness,it's because the couple dying boosts ratings and aren't popular .:rolleyes:

I don't get why TPTB do this. They want to hear what we have to say and engage with us and then they pull this sort of b.s. It's not going to boost ratings,it's not going to excite people and it won't seem interesting in any way, shape or form.

If Emma had to say goodbye to Neal,then she had to say goodbye to Hook. It is what it is and we only have so much say. When they break their own rules,it's so much worse than pandering. We lose respect for them.

I love that Zelena and Regina stopped fighting, but I don't know that I'll watch next season. I had to deal with this b.s. on Arrow, it's coming up on Legends of Tomorrow and probably on Quantico. I'll be too emotionally exhausted to care. If the show doesn't respect the audience, then screw them-I don't respect their choices. This new arc looks crappy and I'll just change the channel.

They did the same thing with Lost. :rolleyes:

I made my brother watch the show with me as a tribute to my mom and when he got confused, I told him who created the show and he asked me why anyone would bother watching anything these two write.

The only difference is that Snowing isn't annoying like Jack and Kate were. They made me mad in S2,but they've made progress since then.

Blech-Unless they come back with something decent,I'm done. Clearly,they didn't learn their lesson. People STILL talk trash about Lost and it's been a decade. Did the seriously think anyone would forget?

I watch this show as a pleasant counter balance to the heart-wrenching abuse I go through when I watch Game of Thrones. Thanks for that, A&E-You two are the family friendly version and you suck. My little cousins ran to the tv when they saw the show was on and you can't explain this sort of stuff to a little kid.

Lost was a show I would mostly watch premieres and finale cause sometimes the episodes were like the Neverland arc people going in circles around an island

My problems with this episode:

1) I don't know where to begin on A&E's version of the afterlife where souls can get blown out of existence among other theological issues. Let's just say that it makes me appreciate the deep thought behind Kronk's shoulder angel and shoulder devil in The Emperor's New Groove.

2) Not buying Zelena's reform. First, I think A&E don't get that it's possible to have a great character who is a bad guy. Just because you like a character or the person playing them doesn't mean the character needs to become a good guy.

Second, Zelena has done enough terrible things that I'm not comfortable with it all going away with a little sisterly bonding. A fantasy show based on fairy tales may not need to meet the same standards we'd expect in real life. But, I feel like I'm being gaslighted, like I'm being told to accept that change when it doesn't feel true to me.

3) Rumple. OK, I take it back. A&E can appreciate the value of a good villain. The problem is that they keep going back and forth. Oh, look, Rumple died to save them. Oh, look, Rumple's evil. Oh, look, he was trying to save them from Dark One apocalypse (and save himself). Oh, look, he's still bad. Oh, look, he's a hero. Oh, look, he's bad again.

4) Robin's death. It's as if, when A&E decide to get rid of a character, they don't think about how this death impacts the plot or how it should play out in the story. They just throw something in there and kill them off.

5) Unless they're Hook. Has anyone seen the The Black Cauldron? Gurgi getting brought back was done much better (on the list of things I never thought I'd say).

6) Arthur. Getting back to cheap, quick redemption. Sure, he attacked Merida's people during peace time, killed her father, and nearly pushed the clans into civil war. Sure, he conned his squire into committing suicide and brainwashed Guinevere into staying with him when they were on the verge of breaking up. He also framed Lancelot, tossed innocent people in the dungeons, and gave Hook the fatal wound that started off the Dark Hook storyline. But, hey, he helped get Henry's book back, so put him in charge of everyone's afterlife. I'm sure he won't abuse it:rolleyes:

Well he have to battle Cruella for ruler of the afterlife first

Like that's hard? She's a coward.

Agree with everything you said here.

To me, this just... should have been two different episodes, if they were so determined to kill Robin. His death should have been the main arc of its own episode. As it was, because he's been so sidelined all season, it just felt extremely rushed. Even the funeral felt like that, happening right at the end and then being rushed through to get to Hook reuniting with Emma (and I felt the chose of location and time for that reunion from the writers was a poor choice). Better to have that and the Hook plot in another episode, before or after.

So yeah, I wasn't a fan of this episode, and hasn't been a huge fan of this season. The end of 5A had some of the same issues as here - a lot of rushed stuff near the end, a lot of padding in the middle.

The Snow/Charming reunion and the Charming family moments were lovely, and it was nice to actually see Regina and Robin properly interact again. Cruella was a hoot. Some of the Arthur-Hook scenes were entertaining, though I wish they had been in a different episode. So there were some things I enjoyed.

I agree with all of your assessment.

:lol:

I liked Regina and Zelena getting along as sisters,but I never got why Robin had to forgive the woman for killing his wife,breaking him and Regina up,raping him and trapping him with the oldest trick on the book. Why did he have to be the bigger person? If Regina wanted to bond with her sister fine,but she shouldn't have expected everyone else to trust Zelena.

Sometimes,this show is just so...Bollywood. I did enjoy Arthur's scenes with Hook,but I despised the character.