I've complained that the show often isn't willing to let bad characters be bad. I don't mind sympathetic backstory explaining how a character got from point A to point B, but I do mind when the show seems to just forget that a character has done terrible things and think that we should, too.

But, I'm really suspicious about Ingrid. OK, maybe she's been a borderline sociopath since childhood. Maybe she lost it with Helga and turned her into a popsicle. But, she's weird enough that I wonder if someone didn't stick an ice fragment in her heart or something. The little bit of backstory we have suggests the change was sudden (playing with her sister one day, evil Snow Queen the next [or that seems to be what's hinted]) and that her attempts to remake a family--one of three sisters, exactly what she used to have--is a warped effort to fix what went wrong.

Well, this is the only thing that I really dislike. Ingrid with her madness reminds me a lot of Zelena. It is already boring to have a great villain for couple of episodes and kill it after that. Develop the character deeply and most importantly, people really deserve a second chance. it is the easiest thing to kill someone. Rumple and Regina probably have done as twice as bad things than Zelena and Inrgid combined together but they are still alive. I mean even if they are gonna be kept evil, let them stay the whole time. It is not quite engaging to introduce each season new bad hero that is ALONE against the world.

I think if your a regular you have to be redeemed it would be boring if Hook, regina, and Rumple always stayed bad IMO.

Cora, Pan, Zelena, have the most part bad cause they die even if AE do a backstory. I believe Ingrid is in that category shell get a backstory but she won't be going shopping with Emma next season.

Informal poll! Who would like to see SQ turn from her dark methods and find a family who actually cares about her? Should Emma and Elsa show her the right way to love and be loved? Or should they destroy SQ, take her powers and banish her forever?

Personally, given the promo I expect that wicked mirror will cause so much damage everyone will agree Ingrid is too dangerous just like Cora, Zelena and Pan.

My complaint has been more how the show has handled it. I haven't always found the character development arcs convincing. My point about Ingrid is that, right now, I could believe that something unnatural is wrong with her and that a complete turnaround is possible. I could be wrong.

There's also the fact that it might be bad to have her around longterm as a good guy--she's a heavy hitter that they would have to forget about on a weakly basis to keep some problems from being resolved ("Hey, we're being attacked by someone with fire powers." "Gee, it's too bad no one in town has ice powers that could help us").

I am intrested in knowing more about her and her relationship with Emma in the past. I like Em and I think she's doing a good job

At least now we have a real name - Ingrid. Interesting choice. There has been several Queen Ingrid through Scandinavian history, actually, and one of them fairly dedicated to her family.

Wow I did know I am glad we have a name so I don't just have to call her Sq

Okay, I have to say that this is the saddest backstory ever. She accidentally killed her sister? :bawl: That is tragic.

And then she is promptly betrayed by her other sister? Wow. You win, Ingrid.

I liked finding out Ingrid's full history, but she utimately caused her own fate and can't or won't see that. Gerda ultimately saw her as a monster because she saw herself as a monster. Without the physical representation of their sisterly bond (which she chose to give up), her constant paranoia was a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's not so much sad as it is ironic.

I did feel bad for Ingrid she was good before she was sucked in the urn. Her sister death was an accident

Great. Now I feel sorry for her. I mean it honestly was an accident!

Is it too late to hope for a redemption? SHe's not so much "evil" ok... a little..but confused and afraid

I wouldn't say the saddest, I mean not IMO. But it is right up there on the top list.
Her backstory is very upsetting. :( When she accidently killed her sister that was UGH HEARTBREAKING.

Her backstory explained quite a few things - and I bet those ribbons will come into play again.

Elizabeth was great in last night's eppy....and that was a bit of a shocker about Ingrid's sister :eek:

I just think the difference between having bad things happen to you and actually causing them. Heartbreaking indeed.

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My poor sad baby. :bawl: That was like double torture for me because I hate seeing Liz sad (too many Lost flashbacks), but I also loved Sally Pressman, who played Helga, on Army Wives so watching her die sucked.

It was really heartbreaking

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LIZ IS SO BEAUTIFUL. :sigh:

I don't think she's really dead! I think she's trapped in the ice and can easily reappear with a spell! I think she and Gerda will be in SB soon! I hope anyways :)

Hmmm. As much as I'd love that, her ice form shattered into pieces when Ingrid tried to hold her and touch her after she was frozen. I think that pretty much means she's dead. :(

Gerda clearly reacted out of grief and anger when she entrapped Ingrid in the Urn. But what I do not understand is why she never attempted to correct her impulsive reaction by freeing her sister and hearing her out.

I know the sisters shared a life long bond and Ingrid put all her faith and trust in both of them with keeping her secret; however, I think after a rewatch, it was clearer to me that Helga was really the one who held the complete unwavering support and trust in her sister. She did not even need to hear out an explanation from Ingrid, she instinctively knew Weasleton was the weasle, lol.

Gerda, on the other hand, I believe harbored a fear deep.down inside. She did love her sister too but I think she tried to subdue her concerns and worries. Those fears bubbled back to the surface when she caved in and offered up Rumplestiltskin as a possible solution to Ingrid's powers. It is also evident in that she wanted to find a way to dispose of her own daughter's magic.

Ingrid met a tragic fate. Her sister's accidental death was her own worst fear come to life and to be faced with her remaining sister's rejection of her had to be awful to witness, moments before she sentenced her to an imprisonment eternity in an urn.

She definitely carries a sad backstory like the others but she does not necessarily win for duration, lol. I think her own perceived worst enemy for such a long time was herself but she did at least appear to have sincere love and support for a long time. Probably makes the climax to her situation all the more tragic because she in essence had all that love and support but then was betrayed so unexpectedly by who she least expected.

:nod: agreed