Radames

He had no idea Henry was gone. He returned because of what Emma offered and baes memory. Colin and the writers confirmed it and they know hook better than anyone. He had no idea Henry was taken he returned to save the town.

Also you didn't need another episode. The events of the season showed us this set up perfectly especially the penultimate episode to the two part finale, the evil queen.

Can I also say that the argument that hook is not a hero or can't be one because he left is ridiculous and I will explain why.

It's standard storytelling that a hero is always going to make the easy choice first over the right choice. Always happens this way even Emma did the same thing hook did. She was going to leave Storybrooke to its demise until Henry convinced her and she returned. The only difference in this situation was that it was Emma that told hook instead of Henry.

He was conflicted. He made the easy familiar choice clearly conflicted until like it always happens he made the right choice and he became a hero. Personally I have never viewed hook as a villain and definitely not the same level as Regina and rumple. Out of all the villains he's the only one that has realized he wants to change of his own accord. There was no outside influence he himself said that revenge is not bringing him any closure or happiness. He wants a reason to live, he wants to care for someone, he wants to move on and be apart of something. No other villain does that, they always have somebody that makes them want to be good. Not hook, hook wants to change of his own accord no one else's.

The writers said it the bet in the podcast for the evil queen. Hook when he saw through the telescope rumple not only alive but with love still crushed him. He realized then that he can't beat rumple until he himself moves on. The only way he can best the crocodile is by living and loving again. This set up his conflict throughout the whole episode which even consisted of a parallel between him and two notable heroes charming and Emma in that they all fought malificent.

The events of the finale have been leading up all season long. Hook in order to move on would have to give up his revenge and he did. He buried and took up Emma's offer.

Lennie1984

Bae basically threw back it in his face of his offer of family and protection and his ship that could be his home and said Hook cant ever change and is the same as his dad - and then we saw Hook get walled up and said thanks for reminding me all i am - and can only be (Bae's speech pushed him further to his revenge) - revenge and killing Rumpel...

This time, him coming back he made a choice to from his revenge and be a part of something - reminding himself (from Emma's speech) that he can be more and could/can care for something else, and make himself care about other ppl and other things... Bae's memory and then the bean he looked at last and to SB, he was coming back

That Bean is symbolic - we all know what happened to his hand coz of the bean, and then the bean he found on the beanstalk that he compared Emma to and then it rejuveneted itself to get him to SB...


So no i dont think he came back for Bae/Neal - why would he, the boy rejected him - pushed further away. He came back coz of the memory he had that Bae threw back in his face, about all he cares about himself and he cant care for anyone else - and Emma's speech was a chance to part of something, to belong somewhere - its up to him if he wanted to walk away and be alone which had been doing all his life, he took a second chance - made the right choice

Lennie1984

there are things that have to be forgotten if you want to go on living
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Radames

He's basically by many media outlets dubbed "the savior" of OUAT.

Vera-Sabe

Holy Hell, this Hook fanart is to die for. It's absolutely gorgeous. And it goes without saying that Hook is gorgeous, too. Thanks for posting it, Lennie.

Lennie1984

He looked so good in the last episode - esp in the flashbacks, that hair and those eyes

Vera-Sabe

Yep. ITA with you. He was absolutely gorgeous in SSTTR and SOTM.

Lennie1984

And how he was with his past and then seeing him in the present... he still has humanity in him and isnt too far gone like other ppl

Vera-Sabe

Yeah. ITA with you on that.

Yep. That's one of my favorite parts of SOTM. So, I loved the fact that we, the audience, found out more about Hook's past. And I'm glad that we learned about Hook's father and what happened to him.

I also loved the way they explained how Hook and Bae know each other. I really enjoyed their scenes, interactions, and dialogue. I love Dylan; the young actor that plays young Bae. I like him more than I do his adult self. Is it wrong of me to wish that Bae should have remained a boy? LOL

Anyway, back to Hook... All in all, SOTM was really good for Hook's character. Even though it was not how I imagined it would go, I was nonetheless satisfied with the over-all execution of the finale.

Lennie1984

I like Bae more then Neal, i dislike Neal - i tried to like him but i cant... i just find him tactless and other things to be honest... (he certainly didnt do anything for me in the Manhattan episode, i was all for Emma and her pain that episode)

I dont mind Bae, but it wasnt nice how he talks to Hook - and calling him Pirate in a distasteful way - and lowering Hook to an low person i guess


I think at the end of the finale, we were going to see Hook come to an end-point, and have a new purpose in his life, go for his chance to be part of something when he came back and then now going after Henry and finding him

Vera-Sabe

Yeah, I know what you mean; and ITA with what you said, Lennie.

I don't like the way Bae talked to Hook either. But at the same time I totally get where he's coming from. He grew up knowing that his mother was kidnapped and killed (possibly) by pirates. When Hook tells him otherwise, Bae lashes out.

However, I still don't get how Bae (and to a certain extent Belle) is not shocked by Hook's version of events of what happened to Milah. They're not the least bit angry and/or shocked by how Milah died. A person's initial reaction is to be shocked. I don't get how the emotion is turned off, so to speak, when it comes to them.

Getting off track a little bit.

I felt bad for Hook and Bae in the flashback. Unfortunately, I do side with Hook more than I side with Bae. If Bae would have swallowed his pride and forgiven Hook, then they could have tried to be a family. Bae didn't choose that. Thus, that action and decision pushed Hook further onto his need for and path towards revenge.

I liked the end of the finale. Hook decided to come back, to help them find and save Henry. Henry is a part of Bae, who is a part of Milah. I think that Hook feels obligated to help them. Maybe "obligated" is not the correct word, but I hope you know what I mean.

And over-all I have to say: what a messed up family. LOL

Lennie1984

I think Bae and Belle dont seem to believe it was Rumpel who could do that and kill his wife - the mother of his son, no matter how he is... so they havent really thought on it

I think even if Hook didnt find out about who Henry's daddy is, i think he would of still come back (at that point he didnt even know Henry was taken)... only to be part of something coz Emma was giving him a chance to be - which no one ever has done (esp if connecting to what he was saying in the evil queen episode - where he has nothing in his life and no one cares for him), he did something that Bae didnt do, Bae completely rejected him whilst Hook in the end chose right...

Unlike Bae/Neal who keeping make wrong choices like all the time, Hook made the right one esp being part of something/family/home

This is the last trigger of memory he had... after then he looked at the bean and then ahead to SB and came back...

Radames

Well remember Hook did not come back for Henry. He came back to save the town. He had no idea about Henry being kidnappend until he interacted with Emma and the rest at the dock. So Henry was not the reason Hook returned.

The writers said he came back because of Emma and Bae's memory. I don't think there is an obligation.

If anything he's doing this because this is what Emma offered. To be apart of something a family and this has been building up since episode 20.

Hook does not want the revenge anymore, he wants to live. He wants to move on and this is his chance to do that. Indicated by him burying his vendetta with Gold.

classex12

I feel like I'm reading the same thing on every page

Lennie1984

I like to see Hook think about it on his ship - how this family relations is all tangled up