I used to post on FF years ago for reality shows, but I'm here now for the illustrious lady Lucrezia and her protector and love Cesare. I read most of your threads the past two weeks because I'm an addict about how others view what went on with this show. I just got into the show about a month ago, and these two I adore them. I know they're brother and sister, but I always look at circumstances, and they went through so much. Of course, they're going to end up turning to each other!

I am so mad they canceled this. We finally got him saying she was his, and Jordan can’t possibly write any more? I also don’t like that Apocalypse nightmare script because you can’t write Lucrezia one way (opposite of history because HE pursues her relentlessly), and then, you just change everything. Scared your love story is gonna get you thrown out of some Hollywood best of club or something? Is this not the man who wrote “The Crying Game” years ago? I felt it odd.

At least they would have one an amazing love scene before she fled pregnant with his child probably, start writing letters until she finally allows him to visit vis-à-vis Micheletto, who convinces her how Cesare is dying without her. He then sees she is pregnant with his child, and they have a beautiful reunion at the convent. I started writing something like that to be honest because I’m unhappy it ended in this way even though the alternative was trash.

As far as my fave scenes, that's hard to choose. I truly adore the seating chart episode because it was such a symbol in that episode and pushed them to a new level.

I loved the first scene when she’s passionately talking about her son being a bastard as are they, and you know even though they are the children of the Pope, that still is in the back of their minds and a constant theme tossed in their direction throughout the seasons. It’s yet something else they share and no one else knows how that feels (minus the dead Juan), and he loves how passionate she is about having Giovanni recognized. The looks he gives her in that scene.

And he is so miserable when he can’t get that stupid Naples king to recognize Giovanni, and of course, he has to deal with Alfonso being “meek as a girl,” as he fights for Lucrezia’s son and ultimately her happiness. We see his frustration that he didn’t get what she wanted, and I knew Naples was in trouble at some point in the future because no one upsets his Lucrezia and doesn’t pay for it.

When he returns, she has that amazing dialogue about how ridiculous it is that a child would cause alliances to be “held in jeopardy.” Truly, Holly completely transforms this character from a young innocent child into a strong, outspoken, don’t screw with me woman. Why she wasn’t nominated I don’t understand because she is brilliant!

Then, she breaks down saying no matter what she does, she truly cannot find which will make her happy, and that man, oh, that man, he promises he will make her happy. I melt every time I watch this scene. Gah, Francois please stop being so perfect with that husky voice. lol He pulls her to him, and I love how she’s never scared but actually feels safer when he does that move.

Now onto the help me I’m drowning in my feels stuff. I can't say enough about that kiss. Everything about that scene is perfect.

She is miserable thinking he is gonna hurt her due to his ambition, and that these ambitions outweigh the love he feels for her. Holly delivers that line, “I placed you here as you see at my side,” so well that you can’t help but cry along with her. Then, after he says, “As long as you,” with that little break in his voice (kill me now), the looks go from this sweet thank god I made her smile again (as we flash to her sweet in awe smile) to screw it I can’t hold this in a moment longer (Francois is a genius at that with her).

The way he grabs her and engulfs her (her responding like this dainty doll all happy to be loved so passionately), and those hands of his so delicate not to hurt her but wanting her close to him. I mean I could write a book about that scene. I watch it way too much, and I have a ton of those gifs. It is just insanely perfect.

I kind of laugh how he stares at her hoping she'll say something afterwards, this desperate what did I just do look. Cesare, you just gave her the lip lock of her life, she needs time to let it sink in a bit, but just like most men he stomps off. I think he was worried he had ruined everything, and he couldn't handle losing her after finally taking the next step.

Francois jokingly blames it on her, but yeah, no, Cesare sent her past the point of no return with that kiss. You also hear him sigh before he gets to that door too.

Then, Cesare has to take that seating chart and go crazy with it which really we know it's because he hates this marriage, pissed at the Pope for it, and he's mad at himself for letting his feelings just take over everything. Francois' passion as Cesare is insanely hot! I love how romantic he is with Lucrezia at times. I’ve only seen one man who rivals it on my Guiding Light, Tom Pelphrey, and of course, those two were cousins (feels like a creep now). In my defense, I didn’t realize that until I was already in love with that couple as well.

Then, after the wedding, Lucrezia I think she goes back to that seating chart area to feel like she felt with Cesare earlier. Let me recreate that moment with my husband kind of feeling. I mean she's downright vulgar with that little virgin, and then, he sees Cesare's lack of respect for him which somehow he relates back to her as if that's her fault. I'm sorry, but his crying in bed I was done with him. I can elaborate another time on how I think Lucrezia picks mostly weak men because then she can dominate them after she was raped.

But Lucrezia would have her husband tonight just in the form of Cesare (his dream come true). He has this panic sound in his breathing, but it all ceases the moment she says this with a single tear falling from her eyes. This scene I about died when he wouldn't let her kiss him because he wanted to see her climax as he does later again as we know.

That look in his eyes it was like he was finally whole, and he had to make sure she felt the same before they had that final kiss. I love when he reaches to kiss her (sexyyyyyyyy), and I would’ve like to have seen more of that because that man can KISS. Wish they had given us a little more of the vocal part of it, but what we did get was definitely nice. My fave part besides his look that is seared into my brain for all time is the smiles they have for each other. My little loves are finally happy.

How they ONLY gave us one love scene after showing us that is an absolute crime. We need something where they missed each other so much that he was like a wild beast attacking her, and she was loving every second of it both of them laughing and then erupting into passion for one another! Even in history the obsession that Cesare has with her neck (possessive) she knew he wasn't going to hurt her, so it never bothered her. I loved how Francois and Holly incorporated that into their scenes at times.

And, yes, I've read "The Family" not as thoroughly yet, but I thought outside of the weird sexual part with Alexander (creepy AF) when they were together that Jordan could've put that in as a flashback. It would've given reasoning to so much of what we saw (her first of all watching her brother having sex hello), and honestly, by S3 no one would've batted an eye IMHO. I think if anyone could've made this work the amazing Francois and Holly would've done it right.

Everyone says they hear Holly say, “I love you,” in the scene where he lets her know the creepy King of Naples needs to watch her consummate her marriage, but if you listen closely after she says, “I want you,” Cesare says, “No,” as well right before he starts to moan and sob. And that kiss full of pain and devastation that he’s let her down again but trying to soothe her heart at the same time.

I also love the consummation scene. I've truly never seen anything like it. When he inches forward to beckon her to him was so sexy and erotic (that man and his eyes and lips in that scene), and of course, the dance they do with each other while no one is the wiser. It is a game of want and wanting as Lucrezia would say.
I also think he went there for a few reasons. He wanted to get both of them through that ordeal, but he also only wanted her to feel that passion for him after they made love.

I kind of grin that he was so into that whole thing that he had to state that to her when he was going on about “work our way to happiness,” so she had to feel like my hold on you isn't gonna go away that easy brother. Sure enough, we saw with Charlotte he was still longing for her.

I thought she should’ve been pissed at him in that scene, but I think she knew this wasn’t gonna end. It didn’t end for all of these years the hold they have on each other, so she merely just glares at him at and says, “Come back soon,” trying to touch him, and he freaks out and leaves. I mean if a man can look at her and get off, lord knows what her touch does to him at this point.

That happiness thing he says though after saying he would make her happy, I was mad at him for fleeing like a child because he was scared, and I think we see her pissed at him in the fair scene as he is declaring basically his love for her, and she is more worried about Alfonso. I think that was her punishing him for telling her one thing and doing another, and we see him follow her even though it was cut off here.

Cesare never did that ever in history by the way, but I think Jordan wanted to give the character this honorable quality, so he had to deny what he wanted while she pursued him. He truly picked the perfect man to do it with in Francois as Cesare.

I also love when she visits him, and I think it's smart to think perhaps that was the morning after they were together again. When she is pulling away her hand, he is super reluctant to let her go back to whiny, and he does that jealous look we see when she marries Sforza as well (at the time I was all what is that look Cesare). But later, when you see it in that scene, it all makes sense, unless that look is him trying to get a hold of his emotions because he does it in S3E2 as well when she’s sexily touching his armor. Maybe it’s more of a get yourself in check, but of course, he’s the one starting that with “me for him” in that scene. Such a tease!

AND can I just say all of his whisper words in S3 are so romantic and sexy - “Everything?” I love that husky whisper of his. Francois has such a sexy whisper voice.

I know people think there's something in that promo, but I also know there's going to be a new release of the show in June with allegedly scenes included in it. If you want to make your money Showtime, all you have to do is have a bunch of cutting room floor Lu/Ces scenes. We'll surely buy that set!

I will say more later, but just now I had a love like this once where you’re so consumed by each other in your own world no one else can touch, and unfortunately, there were circumstances that ruined it. The bubble we were in burst, and once it did, things were just so complicated and uncomfortable that I tried to pull away. He could get upset, and I was Cesare and ran off with no happy ending just a few times speaking after the fact him pretending I wasn’t married, and me fleeing again out of guilt because I had made a commitment to another (and he was not free either). When a man is that consumed by you, and he stares at you all the time with such a haunting look that you feel completely vulnerable and shiver almost at times and find it hard to breathe, I can’t really describe how it makes you feel.

I’d love to discuss S1 because I must admit I took a while to get where you guys got right away. Lol More on that later.