4x13 "A Better Human Being" - Episode Discussion
 

Episode 4x13 – A Better Human Being

Olivia seems to be having memories that Peter's Olivia has. I wonder if the same thing is happening to the alternate-Olivia/Red haired Olivia? Is she remembering having Peter's baby and if so, how will she react to that? Also, how will this Olivia react when she remembers that the alternate-Olivia tricked Peter into thinking she was his Olivia, and how will she react if she finds out that Peter's alternate-Olivia had his baby. It looks to me like Peter might be in for some rough sailing.

I have no words for how amazing this episode was! :thud: :thud:

Me too! I'm completely speechless right now. Too many feelings, too many emotions. I just can't... :thud: :thud: :thud:

So confused!!!

The Nina/Jones/Cortexiphan plotline is just SO good. Suspenseful, creepy, and throws everything off. I can't wait to see next weeks episode. SEPTEMBER! ANSWERS! PETER AND SEPTEMBER ARE LINKED NOW. AHH. EXCITED.

I have a feeling the consciousness of our original characters will fuse with our new versions. Olivia was the first because of her ability. Her inexplicable need to 'find what I am looking for' and her dreams of Peter fueled her unknown ability. Remember love and fear is what activated the ability. And Peter has always activated her.

I have a messed up theory. Maybe Nina is trying to save Olivia. Maybe she knows that something is coming, that she will die, and the only way to stop it is to activate her? But I am still really into the idea that Nina and Jones are trying to coax out William Bell. Some insane vendetta plot.

I think the finale will be some awesome epic event that unifies the two timelines and sets up the next season. Now our characters have new dynamics and new destinies -- because of the reset. But by the hopeful season 5, our characters will be back, but in a new world.

Same here, Kools :) This is the best plotline ever together with the Observers role.

We can never be sure with Fringe, but we now have two Ninas and one of them is working (willingly?) with Jones. Is she the alternate Nina that the writers teased us about? They've just released a new trailer and we see Nina being tortured by Jones. Is this the original one? This show is mind blowing and it's so hard to make sense when we're trying to explain things :D

It seems to me that September is different from the other Observers. He saved Peter and now he's warning Olivia to try to save her too and the other Observers don't seem to share his fondness for our characters.

The episode was incredible, but I don't feel we needed a case to mirror what's going on with the characters. Their lives and entanglements are enough a case.

This episode was great! And like what Fringe always does to me every friday, I am left with more questions. But I love it nonetheless.

This was just as enjoyable as last week's. Loved Peter's tortured agony in waiting to find some hint that confirms this Olivia is his. We got more kissing, which was very satisfying.

Walter seems to be coming out of his shell and showing us more and more that he could still be the Walter we all know and love.

Case of the week was a bit of a bothersome distraction, like a fly I needed to shoo out of the way. And the ol' "doctor used his own stuff for the experiment" ploy was a groaner.

But we got momentary happiness and more kissing. Now on to next week and Peter saving his damsel in distress -- unless Olivia gets herself out of her own predicament again...

As for next week's preview, it's weird how two theories may come to fruition:

1. That September is labeled "Mr. X". Remember last season how Olivia predicted she would be killed by a Mr. X? Don't like that at all. Cannot be a coincidence.

2. Peter mind-melding with September fuels the thought from the beginning of this season that Peter is/was/will be an Observer. I don't want that either.

But it'll be great to see an ep focussing on an Observer. I love those.

A great episode that left me as confused as ever :lol:

So has Alt-Nina taken over our Nina's life and is the one working with Jones?

I'm looking forward to getting some answers about the Observers finally!

Okay this was WOW, great, amazing but sooooo confusing....:D

So my first question is. Is this our timeline and our Olivia and our Walter and they really just couldn't remember Peter because the Observers erased there memories? And because of the ( I don't know how to spell it ) cortexiphan? Olivia remebers first. But why want Jones her to remember or does he just need her skills for his plan? And which Nina is captured and which one is talking to Walter???

The second question is, if they only erased memories what will happened if the alt- Olivia will remember and find out that she has a baby? But then I ask myself where is the baby? You know what I mean? All the things Olivia remembers really happend, so the baby has to be there too or ?:confused:

Maybe somebody can try to explain it to me ? Maybe I did understand something . I feel like all the thing I thought I would knew, I never knew or they are wrong.
thx a lot for helping me :)

Oh, okay, that's what's going on... :)

Yes, I think that's exactly right. There is no "other" timeline for Peter to go "home" to—this is his timeline, with Peter's existence and actions (except for creating the Bridge) "erased." And because Jones, through "Nina" (who I'm pretty sure is one of those shapeshifters) has been dosing her with cortexiphan, she's now remembering the "original" events of the timeline. So I don't think AltLivia will remember the baby or anything (until and/or unless the Observer's tampering is generally undone), because she was never given cortexiphan, so her abilities (though she probably has them hidden away somewhere) aren't active.

I don't think there ever was an "Alt-Nina"...as far as I remember, one never showed up before. I think, like William Bell, Nina Sharp is just someone who doesn't exist in the other universe. Like I said, shapeshifter. Which is, I think, why they went to the trouble of pointing out that the new shapeshifters don't just look like other people, they're genetically identical—so that Jones' "Nina" could get through all of Massive Dynamic's security and get him the cortexiphan.

Now, why Jones wants to bring out Olivia's abilities is another question. But, like I commented on the last episode, remember that Jones has always wanted to draw out Olivia's abilities, to make her a "warrior" for ZFT. With this episode, I suspect even more strongly that what the ZFT warriors were meant to fight is the Observers.

Hopefully there will be answers next week, though the title, "The End of All Things," is rather ominous...

Thx a lot for you answer :) I'm feeling much better now and I think some of the things you said I see like you do. Nina as a shapeshifter is a really nice thought ;) So the real Nina could really likes Olivia and wants to help her

Some other theories "out there" include that, yes, the Nina working with DRJ is a shapeshifter and was therefore able to have access to the cortexiphan.

But, some are thinking that it's the real Nina who was honestly shocked to learn that the cortexiphan had been switched, and it's now Shapeshifter Nina who is sitting in the cell with Olivia, as phase 2 unfolds of The Dastardly Plan. That kind of makes sense, since SS Nina would be able to gather untold amounts of info from Olivia AS WELL AS undergo the upcoming torture that's expected next ep, and relatively unharmed too. Brillian plan (if that's what happens...).

As for everyone's mind being erased of all that is Peter, I really don't know about that. That would mean that every scrap of paper he ever wrote on, every FBI file with his name on it, everything he touched in the previous 3 years -- and in both universes -- would have had to have been tampered with to completely eliminate Peter from memory.

I just thought of something: Henry. Henry was the glyph last week, and he would be the only "evidence" of Peter that could not be tampered with. If everyone's minds were only erased, and not the actual timeline, Henry exists and is being raised somewhere by someone.

The episode was amazing. All the PO stuff was PERFECT. Anna & Josh have great chemistry and they are fantastic actors.

I can't believe we are going to get answers about the observers.

Also the Nina thing is really confusing. We know there was a Nina helping David Robert Jones with whatever they were doing with Olivia. So she's a shapeshifter or the shapeshifter is the one in Olivia's cell? Or this is the AltNina?