Subject

Cha Cha

I liked this episode. Here are my thoughts:

1. WHY did Christian dog Kimber like that? That was just wrong. And WHY did Kimber dog Matt in retaliation? I thought she had become a better person than that. Quite disappointed in her. Sure, she's been buggin' this season, but buggin and being a conscious user of people is a whole different ball game. Just when I thought Matt was coming to his senses! Matt DOES get props for trying to make a move in the sauna. Heck, I think I would have tried to make a move on her in that sauna scene with all that moaning and groaning and sweat and .... let me stop ...

2. Sean is disentegrating before everyone's eyes, and no one has noticed! He looks all greasy and nervous! Personally, I don't blame him for witholding the truth about the kidney match. Sure, he could have (and probably should) have been more upfront with Liz and come clean with the fact that he is/was just down right scared to give up a kidney. I bet Liz would have respected that, cuz that's just how she do. At least he finally came to his senses and confessed the truth to Liz. It would have been interesting to hear what Escobar had to say about his cowardess. As uncomfortable as those hallucinations make me feel, I'm diggin' them, and I appreciate the insight into what's going on in Sean's mind.

3. I missed the first few minutes, so I didn't see the Burt / Michelle / Christian attempt to get the freak on in front of the old husband bit. But I did see the Michelle / Christian show down on the front porch (if that's what you would call that sprawling garden / entry to the mansion). Do you really believe Christian loves Michelle as much as he's acting like he does? I'll buy the fact that he has "Christian love" for Michelle, but he's acting like he's truly, truly never felt this way about anyone, except the poor blind girl from a couple of seasons ago. I bet once he "gets" Michelle, he'll be too over her and loose interest.

4. I can't STAND Rosie, but she is rockin' her character, Dawn, in these episodes. Does anyone else forsee romance between Dawn and Liz? Wouldn't that just be a HOOT?!? I LOVED it when she jammed up Christian in the operating room and basically called him out on their love making session. Classic!

I want to hear from Subject on this one! Actually, I'd like to hear from all of you! I can't believe I made the first post!

migamoo

I totally missed this episode as I was at a Scissor Sisters concert last night.

Subject

I think Christian is moving on way too fast from Kimber. He's attaching himself way to much to Kimber. Soon he will be looking and Michelle and seeing Kimber's face. Much like he was with women and Julia at first.

Like father like son, both of Matt and Christian have issues with women. Kimber is now the center of their lives. Her using Matt was not right, after all this talk about how she has grown. Her true nature comes out and she is more like Christian than she ever imagined.

As for Matt making a move in the sauna. Who could blame him? I mean come on. If he didn't make a move on half-naked Kimber all hot in the sauna. He would have found his answer if he is gay or not.




I really didn't like Sean in this episode. With holding the truth from Liz was just wrong. I can't believe that he would do that. I kind of understand his reason but still. Matt stepping up was a huge move for him. Matt has turned into someone that most everyone hated on the show and now he is becoming the silent messed up hero.




I love those scenes as well. Perhaps it will never really be explained. In regards to the hallucinations but I still love them.

Christian is filling a void. I just hope that when he does see the truth and realize that this happiness that he thinks he can have with Michelle is just not possible at least not so soon. He won't be hurt that bad.


Dawn calling Christian out on their sex was great. As for a relationship between Dawn and Liz. That would be interesting but I'm not sure if Dawn would go with it since she's straight. Of course I do hope that we see more of Dawn and her new friendship with Liz.

VDStar

I hated what Christian did to Kimber. She's always been supportive and loving to him and he always treats her like dirt.

Then what she did to Matt was terrible, but i think it was her way of lashing out at Christian, and while she was doing it you could see in her eyes that she regretted it, so maybe she didn't go through with it and they just didn't show that part.

tav552

i was shocked at how Christian treated Kimber as well. it's an all-time low for him. but at the same time, i love it.

Matt/Kimber....i was glad not to hear any mumbo jumbo religion stuff except that little blurb about Kimber going to church. shamfully, i like this couple together. minus the scientology, they are my favorite couple, aside from Christian/Kimber (who knows if that'll ever happen again)

Christian/Michelle...it seems like Christian really loves her. but, Cha Cha, i agree with you, it's most likely "Christian love." and my soft spot for Kimber hopes C/K get back together.

Dawn and Liz together!?!? well, i don't know about that. Dawn doesn't strike me as lesbian but crazier things have happened. and i hope Liz pulls through the surgery.

VDStar

I wonder if Christian's fascination with Michelle has something to do with the fact that she's something he can't have. Everything else in his life, women, cars, houses, if he wants them he gets them. But Michelle and Julia are the only two things he can't have, and he's obsessed with them.

smoothaise

This is why I think Christian is not meant to have this redemption/happy ending ... and I think it's safe to say, his relationship with Kimber is basically done. Just the way he used her and then mocked her ... it broke her spirits, and he didn't even flinch. And then of course, it's Matt's turn ... hey, I wouldn't call him a "silent messed up hero" ... I still hate him. I find it amusing ... Christian gets all of Kimber, Sean got the porn star, and Matt gets religious Kimber.

It was fun seeing Dawn, again. She's definetly a highlight of S4. I loved when she whispered into the mouse's ear, and the scientist was like "He can't hear you" I also loved when she called Christian out on the sex! And it's nice to see two lonely people, Liz & Dawn, become friends.

This whole attraction Christian has to Michelle ... I don't know what to make of it. But, I think it went a little out of hand, when he contemplated killing him while operating on him.

The scene with Dawn's earcutting...was so gory!

Cha Cha

Subject - GREAT insight as always. Do you have a degree in counseling? Or maybe you just read lots of self help books, or watch lots of Dr. Phil!?

1. Moving on way to fast after Kimber. Makes sense! I had forgotten about "seeing" Julia in every woman, too! I also like VDStar's take that maybe he's just into Michelle because he can't have her. It would be so typical Christian to be over her once Burt's out of the picture. TheKen - you say "this is why Christian is not meant for a happy ending", meaning, as long as he treats women / people with such contempt, he'll never find true happiness? I'll buy that theory of "putting good energy out" to receiving blessings in return.

2. Matt, The Silent Hero. He certainly was on his way with donating the kidney to Liz. That's the Matt I love! The one that's sweet with Annie and kills crazy Nazi dads for messing with transgender people. Seriously though, I wonder what will happen with Matt and Kimber now? Do you think it's just a one time thing, or will she use him like dish rag? How sad for both Kimber and Matt.

3. So no takers for my Dawn / Liz "Diz" relationship???! I just thought that since Dawn was all bitter on the man tip, she might want to switch teams! And Liz looking for love in all the wrong places. Two lonely people sometimes find what they need in each other. And of all the characters on the show, Liz actually seems to be the most "grounded" if you ask me. But I DO see a very special friendship betweent he two gals at the very least.

FrellingTralk

I haven't managed to see the pisode yet, but regarding Christian/Michelle, I don't believe it's real love either. I think it's partly about wanting something that he can't have, and partly about now having a boss for the first time. Maybe Christian is wanting to regain control of the business? There are a lot of powergames going on there.

I'm less sure about this season than I was after the premiere though I have to say. Christian suddenly deciding he loves Michelle came totally out of the blue with how their dynamic had been set up, and I'm just not getting into it at all.

I miss Christian/Kimber

tav552

i hear ya on that one.

is anyone for Matt/Kimber??

Cha Cha, i agree, Liz is the most grounded person in the show. and although i don't foresee a romantisc relationship, i think there i def. premise for a tight friendship between Liz and Dawn.

Cha Cha

Boooooooo to the Matt/Kimber "Kimbatt" relationship. I'm not sure I want Kimber and Christian back together either. I hope that she's allowed him to dog her out for the last time. He IS too much drama. ... but I still love me some Christian.

migamoo

I'm going to be watching this tonight, finally! And no, I'm not for Matt and Kimber at all!

FrellingTralk

Matt and Kimber disgust me

I still haven't found a d/l to watch

migamoo

So, I just watched it. Well, it went over like a hour ago, but yeah. I liked it. I felt so sorry for Dawn when she was talking with Liz. It was just so sad. And Sean was so selfish not wanting to give up his kidney! And Kimber getting back at Christian by seducing Matt was just wrong. But then again, using Kimber was wrong, but part of me felt like she deserved it.