maybe it's not that there is already evil in the world but there is the possibility of good and redemption, and if the "darkness" spreads like an infection, then that choice or that possibility is eliminated? :shrug:

I don't even know, lol.

Love your thinking!

Thank you! :) I think too much about this instead of doing my homework :lol:

Kev, :high_five: Church of Richard ftw.

I dont see Jacob being "good" at all. I said Jacob and MIB are a obvious shout out to God and the Devil for how they approach people. Jacob gives them hope and offering a second chance, MIB just gives everyone what they want as long as they join him. Like God offer his followers the "eternal life" the Devil offered people all the material goods : money, women, healt.
But Jacob, if we think about it, cause losts of pain in the lostie's lives, it brough them to the island, he's giving orders, feeding some stories here and there...
Is Jacob this Good? It doesnt really looks like.
But again all this open to interpretation because the losites have free will so in a way...they are the ones who arrived on the island, they all made their choices in the good and the bad. Do we have to believe in Jacob? Do we have to "hate" MIB for what he's doing?
I like it because it makes you think a lot, ther'es no right ot wrong or good and evil...it's just your free will and what you believe that defines your life.

No and No! totally agreed. They are being setup to appear like God and the Devil - but in typical Lost fashion it won't be that simple. And I hope in the end it is about free will over destiny. If it's not I'll be fine with that too, but it'll also be devastating because free will is like my entire mantra on humanity.

= the most beautiful message ever. To me at least.

I like Sawyer's approach about letting people fight it out while he gets the hell off the island. It's not the same circumstance but I mean the analogy. I believe there was no free will when Jacob brought them to the island. Jack saw his life in the lighthouse which means he has been spied on all his life. He was always going to make it to the island. The only free will he had was on how he handled his journey from thus out. I think we create our own criteria for what is right and wrong, because most of these losties figured it out before realizing what Jacob/MIB even was.

Weird question though; they gave an analogy about how the island was the cork and it kept the corruption from leaving the island, right? We were shown that MIB doesn't want to pop the cork, because he smashed the wine bottle. What is this supposed to represent?

I think it means he wants to destroy the island not just get off of it. And LOVE the east of eden reference, one of my favorite books ever!

Oh this is so beautiful ideed, it really sounds like a message lost would give.

Now I'll have to go for a bit, and also my head hurts...we are thinkign too much here :rotfl: Now I just want Kate and Sawyer to make out :lmao:

Me too! One of my favorite books and movies as well.

And I just love timshel, because Cal believed he was destined to be Cain, that he was bad and corrupt. But in the end his father set him free by telling him the way is open for him to change, to become something and someone better and different.

Even if the losties had no free will up until now, maybe the end will be their timshel, their breaking free because they realize they can.

What if it comes down to a choice between choosing the sideways (is it a deal with the devil? is it what they want most in life but at a price? or is it without interference from Jacob? who effing knows right now?) or choosing to keep the lives they've led but moving on with them with the idea that now they have the freedom to make their own way?

Gahhh I still don't know. But I'd rather it come down to choice/free will over good/evil any day.

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i agree with Michelle's answer here, yeah i think he wants to destroy the island but why would he do that, why not just "take off the crock "and leave and be done with it, why would he bother to kill everyone and destroy everything, is that maybe the only way? that's the QS :confused:

I think we're on to something: Cain/Abel, Cal/Aron, MIB/Jacob. The other son holding a grudge against the favored son. Cal/Aron had a crazy mother as well (coincidentally her name was Kate I don't think that means anything btw)

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^^ Oh, definitely! Also Jacob/Esau from the Bible as well. Another rivalry between brothers. I think that biblical dynamic is absolutely there between MIB and Jacob.

dude, me too. my head is spinning! And I'm supposed to go read about the power tactics of Jesus for my philosophy of power class at noon and I am all tuckered out. I wonder if discussing the religious allegories on Lost will count enough for me to get by.

I am wondering if the sideways represents their choice.

Lost definitely counts for your philosophy course! If your teacher says otherwise well...:headslap:

I want to read East of Eden now but I think I'll just watch the James Dean version instead... so so hot! The original Sawyer! :D

ETA: I don't think the sideways represents a choice, think it will merge with the current time line. Or if they do go to the other side they won't forget their experiences. I can't imagine them ending up not remembering everything that has happened in their stories.

i agree :nod:

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