Lost - Copulators {J&K} #268: They're the gift that keeps on giving!

decem · 12-09-2007, 12:59 AM

~ Copulators ~
Jack&Kate

• • •

They have struggled to survive, together.
They have faced the unspeakable, together.
Chance has separated them.
Nothing in the world will keep them apart.
ABC Promo 2007

"1.2.3.4.5"
• • •

I think,romantically,
her heart's more with Jack
~Evangeline

The bond between Jack and Kate
is kind of the ultimate relationship
~Carlton Cuse

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"No I Don't Think That's True You're Not Running Now"
• • •

There is a huge, unknowable draw for Jack to Kate.
At the same time it's there and there's a real, internal,
within him and between the two of them.
~Matthew

And Kate really does love Jack.
At least, that's how Sawyer and I are interpreting Kate's tears.
Man, ABC shows do know how to turn surgery tales into the best love poems
~Tv guide

"I Didn't Do It For Him"
• • •

The Jack and Kate thing
will be an over-long, over-arching, long-term thing on the show.
~Matthew

Jack and Kate are a classical and romantic couple.They are amazed by each other
and as the time runs, they start to depend of each other, care about each other
the connection between them is getting stronger. There is always something,
someone in their way that makes the audience support them all the time.
~Damon Lindelof

"I Got Your Back"
• • •

"If You Weren't Here Jack"
• • •

FanArt Of The Moment
by Kate

"I Will Come Back Here For You"
• • •

Gif Of The Moment

• Fanfictions

• Reminders

• Fansites

• Words of Love

• Jack&Kate are..

"What's A Garden Without Guava?"
• • •

Jack is the guy she should be with.
She does genuinely love him.
And she knows that he would take excellent care of her.
~Damon Lindelof

I feel like she's getting there.
You can see the changes in Kate.
And, you can see her growing and
developing a confidence around Jack.
That basically has gotten to a level where she's saying,
You know what? You are just as screwed up as I am.
And who are you to be above me?"
and I think once they get past that it could be really amazing.
~Evangeline

Season1 • Season2

"And You Fixed Her,You Saved Her"
• • •

You can see, when they came into the glass, you can see it, in their faces.
There was something..They love each other.
~Jack&Jay

I can guarantee you that Jack and Kate will connect again.
~Matthew

*Check out our #100 and #200th threads*

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#245 : Season 4: When Kate's arms WILL bend!
#246 : Uncontrollably Gah-Gah
#247: They're each others 'its me' person
#248: Best. Team. Ever.
#249:Celebrating the 3rd anniversary of Crash & Crush
#250: Because according to Damon, being a Jater is "Wonderful"
#251: Jack would take excellent care her ~ Damon
#252: "There's more to come." ~D&C
#253: Your embrace is my air
#254: Because they totally OWN the future
#255: This time, all I want is you
256:I can't keep staring at your mouth without wondering how it tastes
#257:"Jate getting it on should be tied up in early 2010"
#258: Don't Give Up On Me Yet. Don't Forget Who I Am
#259: I'm Nothing On My Own
#260: I Need You Like a Heart Needs a Beat
#261: We Jate. We Throw Rocks.
#262: It's time to bring this ship into shore
#263: He is her finish line
#264: There's only so far they can go without getting it on...
#265:There's still a little bit of your taste in my mouth
#266 TOGETHER WE'RE INVINCIBLE
#267: True Love Waits
• • •

Don’t mistake coincidence for fate
~ LM

They are now emotionally connected more than they have ever been.
If you removed all the circumstances
that are getting in the way of them being together romantically,
I think they could be together at this point. But there are so many things
going on and so many things requiring their attention and their energy.
It's like two ships constantly passing in the night,
but they really are connected through time and space almost.
~Matthew

He's her sanity (Jabs)
Simply the best, better than all the rest (Jabs)
Two completely different people, one unifying soul (Diana)
Once you own a heart, you always will (AlexandraMavier)
Everyone can hit a ball. But that's not GOLF (Jabs)
The show isn't over because Jate isn't together (Jenna16)
Because there is no way that those looks can ever fail us (Dancer150)
Jate VS Crappy Future (Franci*)
Because she is the one person he needs to survive (Nora)
He's her Knight in Shining Whatever (Diana)
They are intoxicated by the sight of each other (Lovey)
No one means more to them than each other. (Ash)
it has not a beginning, nor end. (Franci)
"Jack,you're the criminal of stealing my heart" - Ellen
"In some crazy way,he really feels for this woman." - TB script
the one and only Jate (Diana)
"It's not resolved,by any means." - CC
"Who says they have no chance ?" - CC
I've been searching for you, I heard a cry within my soul (Diana)
All of my life, were have you been? (Diana)
I've longed for you my love forever (Diana)
LEAVE THEM ALONE!! (Liesbeth)
But I'm on fire for you, clearly
My song is love, is love unknown
You're the target that I'm aiming at
Nothing You Confess, Could Make Me Love You Less (Diana)
Even If You're Wrong, I'll Stand By You (Diana)
I think it's very dangerous if we do not take whats ours
I try to make my way to you but still I feel so lost
Together we will rise into the light at the end of the fight(Diana)
They transcend romance.(Ash)
"Oh my God, some of them survive but not happily." - M.Emerson
No Pretense Involved (Carlie)
Eternal kiss to you from me (Pauline)

"I Can't Leave Without You"
• • •

I loved Jack and Kate's kiss.
They really captured that moment, how it should be.
And that's tricky.
~Josh Holloway

I don't think that book is closed.
Kate has a real journey to go on with Jack
in that they've never addressed the
underlying current of attraction and love between them.
It has to be addressed.
~Evangeline

"Because I Love You"
• • •

The more time spent on the island,
the more Jack would sort of represent to Kate
what she would want, stability, and comfort, and a real adult love,
as opposed to that kind of lusty, frothy, "make out in the middle of a torture session" kind of thing
~Damon Lindelof

It will happen, just wait for it..it will happen..
~Evangeline

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• Live it, love it, memorize it.THE promo.

You could put Jack and Kate on a New York City street
and have them pass each other at rush hour on a Wednesday morning.
And they would stop and turn,slowing to watch each other go by. They know each other within the context,
of a universal recognition.They have met before this life,and they will meet again in another.

• • •

Carlie06 · 12-09-2007, 01:18 AM

Thanks for the new thread!

Now, I'm off to bed.

I'm going out of town tomorrow, so I won't be able to post much, if at all till Wed.

Hopefully, we'll get something good while I'm away.

Bye girls!

franci* · 12-09-2007, 01:51 AM

New Thread

thanks for starting it Ash

Bye Carlie

come back soon!

*cough*

*cough*

sooo..back to jate,I have a question: even Evi asked this to the writers(the difference is the SHE got the answer

) so do you think that J&K have been romantic sometime between the last moment we saw on the island and the FF or what we saw was just their usual UST?

ale-la-pazza1 · 12-09-2007, 03:09 AM

New thread!

*luthien* · 12-09-2007, 03:40 AM

wow already a new thread!!
you guys are fast and i need to get used to it asap!!!

franci* · 12-09-2007, 04:20 AM

yeah u better get used to it Ozge 'cause u have no idea how fast we'll go when Jate comes back..

*luthien* · 12-09-2007, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by franci* (View Post)

yeah u better get used to it Ozge 'cause u have no idea how fast we'll go when Jate comes back..

i cant wait for jate to come back!!!

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so do you think that J&K have been romantic sometime between the last moment we saw on the island and the FF or what we saw was just their usual UST?

yes i believe they have been in some kind of a relationship before the FF scene... we dont really know how long its been since they got off but ppl says its 3 years (according to jack's mobile)... so maybe right after they get off, they get together but they seperated because of the circumstances... maybe because of the dharma guys or the hanso foundation or some other powerful guys connected with the island!!!
i dont know why but IMO the losties are not allowed to see eachother... jack called kate a couple of times before he finally reached her and kate's phone was off so i think its a secret number that nobody knows and kate is not using that number! thats why it was off all day long and she turned on the phone and answered at night! that might be a stuipid theory but it's still possible!

Lostbeth · 12-09-2007, 05:11 AM

Same here

It would be soo weird if we saw them making love in the FF while they have had a relationship on the island. Cause for us it would be 'our' first time but not for them...

franci* · 12-09-2007, 05:26 AM

nice theory Ozge! I too think that the Losties are not allowed to see each other.I have no idea how things will play out but Banshee wrote a beautiful post and I kinda agree with her. here:

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I think this season in particular has gone far to underscore that Kate may have a connection w/Sawyer but "it is different from the emotional bond she shares with Jack". Mentioning again the walkie talkie scene which I think was a blatant wink to that very thing.

Precedented in the Moth/HM bits, they continue to tease w/JK (i.e. leave the audience wanting more), by keeping the culmination of their romantic relationship just out of the audience's reach. 1step forward, 2 back ..Which is typical story arch for any show in design of stalling the OTP as long as possible. Writers are conscious that leaving something to the imagination is a powerful tool-as supported by Damon's comments about Moonlighting.

As an aside, the main argument against Jate back in the day, was that they were too obvious & therefore predictable/uninteresting. But I think the writers have cleverly turned the tables, making Jate the underdog in order to dispel the cliches about their pairing & reinvest the audience in wanting them to prevail. They don't want the audience not to be interested in the relationship of the main protagonists carrying the story through to the end. And I think it's clear from the TMFT promo, since no ship has ever gotten their own television spot, that TPTB are aware a lot of audience most certainly wants Jate.

Digressing to continuity, the last Moth piece re:leaving the island ties in with the final finale scene...In MOTH, it's heavily implied, both through onscreen subtext & script, that the prospect of getting off the island is disappointing to J/K. They know they will have to go their separate ways and likely will not be able to be together because of a reason independent from their personal feelings. The moment is impregnated with a sort of dread, but it's left unsaid, & open ended-to be continued...

Now in the finale they have gotten off, & the prophecy has come true. As per the Lost Mag TTLG script, Kate is trying to convince herself it was the right thing to do. But despite her attempts to remain detached, we see cracks in the facod that she is visibly affected by her estrangement from Jack. Adding that just like in the Moth scene, he verbalizes their fears and melancholy in foil to her efforted stoicism "We're one step closer to getting off the island/We made a mistake"....They may be manifesting themselves differently, but they're both miserable.

I think we were supposed to get the feeling that whatever caused them to part, goes beyond anything personal and into the circumstantial/mythological. Especially given the dramatic irony and parallels I hopefully drew above b/w the finale/MOTH.

I'm in agreement with others that Jate was intimate before the FF...And I think it will be several weeks yet before the Losties actually leave the island. So imo it's possible that Jate happens in that missing pocket of time.

I'm imaging the FB's/FF's to head toward each other like speeding trains on the timeline until they meet in the middle. When the show comes back, I think we'll have more obstacle but it will eventually build up to JK getting together on the island in the FB's. Then they'll be forced to separate (TTLG FF), while future Jack/Kate finally find their way back to the island at which point time converges ...Catch being that like Des, they don't forget the past or the future, & for all intents and purposes are emotionally apart again if not physically...Now we pick up from there and go forward, so J/K have to work to find their way back to each other...I think it's an ideal scenario, in keeping with the 1 step forward 2 back principle, to ensure the audience at large is still rooting for them. Not to mention from a writing perpective, it provides a lot of avenues for drama/suspense which is the name of the game.

*luthien* · 12-09-2007, 05:29 AM

yeah i saw that post!

its great and so true!

Lostbeth · 12-09-2007, 05:58 AM

Artz: "Kate gimmie your shirt."
*kate look*

*Jack imagines the picture*

"Princess give me your shirt!"
Jack: *thinks* and I'm your prince baby.

*luthien* · 12-09-2007, 06:15 AM

that was great!

franci* · 12-09-2007, 06:28 AM

Bwhaah Betty

I love random Team Jate moments!

*luthien* · 12-09-2007, 06:37 AM

me loves random team jate moments too!

its like they were always a great team!!! like they knew eachother for a looooong long time

Lostbeth · 12-09-2007, 07:14 AM

I bet they were looking for Guava seeds

Me too fran. and I'm always suprised at how many there are ! That look in the Black Rock was pretty intense. Captain Jack in his Black Pearl

This first scene i pretty random too but soo beautiful. I love them running towards each other.
Edited:
YouTube - LOST - Jack & Kate - Born To Run

I've to laugh everytime when Kate screams for Jack like a lion . JARWWLCK !

ETA: and I looove Jianals sooo much! Man that S1 one was soo creepy !

but once again: JATE

(they always go hiking together in a final.) "I won't let drowing straws make descions for US like that, Kate."


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