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Roxy87 03-07-2017 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ~AnastasiaGrey~ (Post 89417568)
I dont know if you are just now posting on this thread or anyone else for that matter. The way discussion have been for years should not be a shock to people given that I have been a regular poster on here and I have seen people bash their likes and dislikes but now suddenly when the show is ending" Now people want to complain how others are putting their thoughts on how the show is going to end.

This is a number one reason why I am glad this show is ending the constant back and forth on the couples and who is better and who isn't that was the downfall of this show making it all about the couples in the end.

In the post you quoted, I didn't "complain how others are putting their thoughts on how the show is going to end." This is what I wrote: "It's ok for everyone to have their own interpretation. If people who claim not to be watching the show (yet seem more familiar with the details than even me) are coming here just to be snarky and to bait others instead of using the thread for actual discussion, it should also be ok for that to be pointed out. And it isn't as though it's not the truth."

As you can see from what I wrote, this isn't about differing opinions. I'm not sure why it's being turned into that. It's about coming here for spoilers and spoiler discussion only to have to wade through baiting and pettiness from some who say they aren't even watching.

But you're right. This has been a problem for years. Those who want to discuss spoilers in the spoiler discussion thread have been out of luck for a long time now since it's been filled with non-watches complaining about a show they don't watch and actively baiting people who do watch. I guess I'm bringing it up again because it's the finale this week and I'm genuinely interesting in how it's all going to end. It's also frustrating seeing people who want to use the thread for it's actual purpose being shut down and mocked even in the last few days we have of the show.

Regulus-Fan 03-07-2017 02:03 PM



Seems like Bonnie did die or was in some kind of almost death situation and woke up again.
So I don't think the funeral is for her.

Ellielover19 03-07-2017 02:17 PM

I'm worried that that might be Katherine though, and Bonnie will have to actually stay dead for Elena to come back :/

hurricane eyes 03-07-2017 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellielover19 (Post 89426572)
I'm worried that that might be Katherine though, and Bonnie will have to actually stay dead for Elena to come back :/

That would be pretty entertaining if Katherine trolled them, but that would suck for Bonnie. I don't think that's the case though since Stefan said Bonnie "saw Elena" when her heart stopped/died.

Ellielover19 03-07-2017 08:08 PM

This interview in particular makes me ten times worried for Bonnie. It irritates me how much JP just seems to shrug off her character like she didn't save every damn character on this show in its 8 year run, and deserves the happiest ending out of all of them.

The Vampire Diaries Series Finale: What to Expect - Today's News: Our Take | TVGuide.com

othfan1980 03-07-2017 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellielover19 (Post 89429392)
This interview in particular makes me ten times worried for Bonnie. It irritates me how much JP just seems to shrug off her character like she didn't save every damn character on this show in its 8 year run, and deserves the happiest ending out of all of them.

The Vampire Diaries Series Finale: What to Expect - Today's News: Our Take | TVGuide.com

It's interesting about who was supposed to die vs who ends up dying. I'm not so convinced Damon is safe as the interviews talk about him not ready for Elena after the terrible things he's done, things coming full circle for the brothers.

The bottom line is; Stefan and Caroline can't have a fully happy ending as he's human/ she's a vampire and now that's the same for Elena/ Damon. The cure was only ever good for "young vampires" as taking it from Elena only aged her to her real age a couple of years older. Taking it from Stefan would kill him and Damon would not do that unless Stefan was dying (without a chance to save him). For Bonnie to get what she desires at this moment in time; it's in death and bittersweet unless she can pull Enzo to the world of the living or live a life with her besties whilst still being able to see Enzo. Whatever the endings are for any of them; they will ALL be potentially tinged with the good and bad given the current situation. So none of them truly happy endings, which makes sense for the lives they have lived. Even Elena; finally human and alive again, she will lose someone else and not be able to turn off the pain this time.

But the comments around the brothers coming full circle does suggest one of them dying as the story has been of their fights over women, coming together as brothers even in the toughest times and times of hate vs sacrifice. Could Stefan turning Damon into a vampire be the full circle with Damon taking the cure, losing his brother to be happy? My only thought there is that the only way that would happen would be if stefan was dying. And if Stefan does die; the cure dies with him.

As for Bonnie; could she become a vampire? I'm still trying to figure out how she "dies" then lives again. Wouldn't that suggest either a bargaining tool with the devil aka Katherine (Stefan sacrifices his life for Bonnies to repay for the Enzo situation, be the hero and his life tied to Elena's) or she's a vampire (died and comes to life). Makes sense for Katherine to pull the Elena trick one last time, explains why she is "awake" whilst Bonnie is, and this way Bonnie gets the "happy fan ending in staying alive and seeing Elena again".

othfan1980 03-07-2017 10:06 PM

1 question. Isn't Matt also a main character and not really mentioned in spoilers? As a human who has used his 9 lives many times, a sister bent on revenge and an easy target...isn't he the potential death as someone Elena would be crying over, and Bonnie, Stefan and Caroline? If not; he was probably the original death as it would make sense as he is the smaller of all the main characters.

Ellielover19 03-07-2017 10:12 PM

I feel like Matt is probably the safest out of everyone. They made it clear he has a path that would go on pass the series with restarting the counsel, same with Alaric starting his school for witches. Honestly, killing him would be so anticlimactic to the story. I definitely agree though with your different outlooks, only a few short days till we know the full outcome!

hurricane eyes 03-07-2017 10:57 PM

I think full circle is meaning the start of the series Damon was bent on bringing eternal torment to Stefan and now he's wanting him to have a full and happy life. I'm starting to believe DES don't die and that the compulsion thing is seeming more and more likely true.

As for Bonnie…JP never cared about her before, unless it was in terms of what her magic could do to fix a problem she wrote herself into, so why start in the final episode? Saying someone's HEA is death is disturbing. I could be fine with this if it's a titanic rip-off of Bonnie living a full life and when she dies an old lady she reunites with Enzo in her heaven. Anything short of that just perpetuates the already terrible way this show treats women, and poc, in general.

NikNak 03-08-2017 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellielover19 (Post 89429392)

Thanks for the sneak peek and above link.

ds44 03-08-2017 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hurricane eyes (Post 89430789)
I think full circle is meaning the start of the series Damon was bent on bringing eternal torment to Stefan and now he's wanting him to have a full and happy life. I'm starting to believe DES don't die and that the compulsion thing is seeming more and more likely true.

As for Bonnie…JP never cared about her before, unless it was in terms of what her magic could do to fix a problem she wrote herself into, so why start in the final episode? Saying someone's HEA is death is disturbing. I could be fine with this if it's a titanic rip-off of Bonnie living a full life and when she dies an old lady she reunites with Enzo in her heaven. Anything short of that just perpetuates the already terrible way this show treats women, and poc, in general.

julieflop has always been a big RL.

Stay to the Lights 03-08-2017 07:17 PM

The Vampire Diaries prepares for an epic, tear-filled final bow

This is sounding more like Stefan, unfortunately :(

You can't kill me! 03-08-2017 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Stay to the Lights (Post 89438702)
The Vampire Diaries prepares for an epic, tear-filled final bow

This is sounding more like Stefan, unfortunately :(

Of course it's going to be Stefan, I never really doubted it. It just pisses me off so much :mad: I wouldn't even be mad that they killed Stefan off, if they killed Damon off as well, but having Stefan die and Damon live is so disgusting. They know how volatile this fanbase can get, why would they so blatantly give one brother happiness and the other none :nono:

Stay to the Lights 03-08-2017 07:58 PM

From the article

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It’s a sunny January day in Atlanta as the Vampire Diaries cast films its last group scene in the woods. In between takes, there’s laughter and excited whispers about who’s in town for the upcoming wrap party, but when showrunner Julie Plec, the director of the show’s final hour, calls “Action,” an emotional fog sets in. This is a goodbye — and it’s a big one. “We wanted to go big, emotionally, with the action, and with the spectacular of it,” says Plec, who co-wrote the episode with co-creator Kevin Williamson. “We were absolutely feeling epic.”

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Back at the cemetery, the emotional fog is replaced by a literal one. This is Mystic Falls, after all. And in an instant, heartbreak seamlessly turns into romance when one of the show’s main couples share a passionate kiss. Watching the kiss unfold, Plec gets within an inch of the monitor. “I want to see that tear,” she announces, prolonging the scene until she gets the perfect blend of romance and tragedy that has become the show’s signature over the years. The moment that tear falls, she calls “Cut.”
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Sitting in the middle of the town square, Plec watches as two longtime characters walk off the screen for the final time. “That was so good,” she says through her tears as she makes a note of the take. That one’s a keeper.
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“It’s this very interesting melancholy,” Paul Wesley says of the feeling on set. “I did Stefan’s final scene with Elena. It was strangely emotional for me.” Wesley pauses as if coming to terms with what he’s about to say in this very instant. “You’re saying goodbye to this time and this moment. The two of us are never going to be playing these characters ever again, and these were really important characters in television for eight years.”
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Sitting on a plane, Wesley read the finale script for the first time, and the actor, who admittedly doesn’t get sentimental when it comes to the show, teared up. He then took a photo of said tear and sent it to Plec and Williamson as proof, of both his ability to cry off screen and the power of the ending they’d created.
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However, it’s not the ending they originally came up with during the second season. “The big finale episode that we had always planned did not happen because the show was successful and lasted eight years,” Williamson says. For example, the original ending involved ghosts, which no longer exist now that the Other Side has been destroyed. Plec adds: “While it was not a journey with a straight line — it took many, many forms along the way — the heart and the sentiment, dating back six years ago when he and I first thought we knew how the series would end to the way it’s ending, is pretty spot-on.”

Sitting on set, Plec starts singing “guess who’s back” from Eminem’s “Without Me” with one of the biggest returning cast members. Nostalgia might be a bitch, but on this set it’s also cause for celebration, and the finale is filled with it. “I feel like I’ve watched other shows where the series finale leaves you unsatisfied, but we really do come to a conclusion with all the characters and their lives,” Dobrev says. “Julie and Kevin wrote a really beautiful episode, with a lot of callbacks to the pilot.”
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Walking away from the funeral scene, Dobrev wipes away Elena’s tears. At this point, you’d think Elena would be used to goodbyes. But this one’s different: There will be no more witchy high jinks, no more Other Side. Bonnie Bennett’s no longer in the business of bringing people back from the dead. This goodbye, much like the show’s final hour, is goodbye forever — which, for a vampire, is forever-forever.

~AnastasiaGrey~ 03-08-2017 09:16 PM

I dont think it is but that just me. Way too freaking obvious and this show is not known to do that very well.


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