Bree347

Basically, every word Marina said is mte.

And let me just reiterate that Mary being in love with Bash whilst being married to Francis is the most boring kind of drama... you apparently can't see any drama with FM, but Mary not being able to be with a guy because she's married to someone else is much less interesting than Mary not being able to be with a guy because, uh... IT WILL KILL HIM.

but yeah, there's no drama.

SophieSC

me???
was I the one writing rude words, offensive comments?? Seriously? If so I'm sorry. But since when word "forced"is offensive? Ok, I'll say differently. Francis and Mary had a really fast fall into relationships, which IMO had no development. It's my opinion. I haven't said any word about considering them irrelevant or lame. Even though I might think so I won't say that. While you got all personal.

All people aren't going to share your opinion. I was never saying my opinion is a true to be statement, which makes your line "you dictate the way I should enjoy" completely out of place.

Mayberry

Why in the world should Frary fans feel intimidated? She lost her virginity to Francis, which is huge. She said that she's in love with him. She agreed to marry him of her own free will. And they've both saved each other. Mash is just playing catch up to them.

And if she did fall for Bash while they got married, talk about a cheap beginning. It's the same as their fans being robbed of a genuine first kiss because she was drunk. I mean, it's really slim pickings. So no, I don't really care if they pursue a triangle because Frary's got a leg up on Mash imo. Bitter my butt.

WeBuiltThePyramids

Honestly my only problem with Bash and Mary is Bash didn't exist historically. So he was created for the show for the purpose of having a love triangle. Now, within the show that doesn't matter because within the show he exists, but I'm a history major who is over the love triangle concept in general, so while I don't dislike Bash as a character, I can't get behind him and Mary. I don't have overly strong feelings toward Francis and Mary either, but I do prefer them.

SophieSC

As I said, to each his own. Fary and Mash fans clearly see situation differently. One love everything and all within 13 episodes, others prefer slow burn. But whatever. Can't this thread be more peaceful. Why each time I write pro Bash/Mash comment over her I get a negative respond from 2-3 people??? Is it a thread to express anger only?

liv_91

randomly throwing my 2 cent into the mix

love reign!!
i think every single character is relevant in this show...
i have to admit i am not a fan of triangles ( i get the drama and sometimes it's even intriguing!) but usually it just seperates 2 groups on each side and both of them rip the one in the middle usually to pieces

frary fans:
i am all for frary, but bash himself still has to prove himself to be a character because so far we haven't seen enough of his story to really judge (some things we have seen i am not so thrilled about but in some he seems genuine about loving his family)

mash fans:
frary wasn't forced ... in some ways it was very quickly developed
but they have a childhood connection, both of them are stubborn and that gives some good energy between them, it's not boring, they can even fight with each other and are head to head, they are equals... (i know bash and mary may have that too)
you should respect our ship because we are basically doomed from the beginning
we all frary fans fear the fate of francis dying hanging over our head and just about to crash down...

while bash fate could be anything ... options endless
one thing for sure francis will die




well i really don't like triangles between 2 brothers, ruins in both ways many relationships.... god i hated this in TVD

i hope the writers of Reign stay true to the original history but still be creative and tell a good story, please not too many cliches (the show is really compelling so far)

Mayberry

Yeah, I like Bash as well, and I think it's premature to say that he could only have feelings or be developed in scenes with Mary. It's not like they don't show him interacting with other females, and it's season 1 so how do we know it's always going to be Bash/Mary (or Francis/Mary, although I think that's more likely an off-on thing they'll never drop)? I really don't know because on 90210 and Dawson's Creek and other teen shows I've watched, they switch up things depending on a few factors. It's so EARLY so it's hard to judge.

ds44

Frary fans have 0 to be bitter about. There would have to be a legitimate story on the other end. if the show is going to do a triangle I prefer this cause its lopsided and favora fm. Lbr bash is the Noel of reign.

LostInTheSun

"Why you keep ignoring facts that show itself throws?" and wondering why we like the idea of Lolash isn't doing just that? lol ok you're just being a liar now.

People crackship in all fandoms all the time (I mean heck, Sheldon/Amy is my #1 OTP of all times but I still crackship Sheldon/Leslie and Howard/Amy way too hard), you can't just walk in here, have the nerve to question that, and then get all hot and bothered when people tell you you're being out of line.

SophieSC

You are kidding right? Are you seriously going to compare Lola/Bash and Mary/Bash?

The first one is happening. Francis even confirmed Mary has feelings for Bash. Try to ignore that. While Lola/Bash is wishful thinking of Frary fans so far. They shared about 2 scenes together. And speaking of them sharing scenes off screen, well ok. So do Mary and Bash, and probably even Francis/Kenna, are they going to hook up now then?

None of your points make me a liar. I just said your are ignoring obvious things show throws. Ignoring that Mary has feelings for Bash (Francis said it, Diane said it ...), is like saying he and Francis are not brothers.

Bree347

A character saying something does not make it a fact. Especially when that character has pre-existing insecurities where whatever they are "seeing" is concerned. Francis' perception of Mary/Bash is skewed because of the insecurities he has regarding his brother.

And as for Diane lmao... yes a person who has literally never spoken to Mary, knows all about her innermost desires and thiiiiiiirst

LostInTheSun

You're completely missing the point I was trying to make omg everytime I think you couldn't be more wrong you just prove me wrong this is seriously some amazing denial work you're doing here.
And please do tell me more about how Diane who has literally never talked to Mary not even to tell her "hey pls pass me the salt" can know that she t h i r s t s for Bash because that never stops to be amazingly ridiculous.

My point simply was that YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRACKSHIP AND THEN GET PISSED OFF WHEN PEOPLE CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR ****TY ATTITUDE GOD.
I don't give a flying rat's ass what you ship, why can't you extend us the same courtesy and stop pretending that we only like the idea of Lola and Bash because we're afraid, which is 150% not true. First of all, most Frary shippers don't care at all about Lola and Bash as individual characters and they care even less about the pairing. The only one I can think of who loves Lolash a lot is Beth, and she hardly ships them because she is S C A R E D of what Bash means in the FM relationship (ie literally nothing)
I myslef like the idea of Lolash because I imagine it as starting as something purely sexual to try and forget the one they love (Colin for Lola and Mary for Bash) but then somewhere down the line they realise they grew to have real feelings for each other, but as long as I don't know if and how it's going to be dealt with on screen, I won't call myself a Lolash shipper. I still have the right to like the idea of it and if I want to compare Lolash and Mash and say I like Lolash better, I will and won't let you dictate what I feel, just like I love Gale/Madge about 150 times more than I do Gale/Katniss.

tl;dr: PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO SHIP THINGS THAT ARE NOT CANON AND PLS STOP SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T YOU'RE NOT THE QUEEN OF FANDOM.

Mayberry

What's wrong with wishful thinking? Lola spent time with him while he was recovering, which is more than whatever Mary's done for him. Then he had a dream about her after that. Not to mention the YT videos and fan questions about them. This is getting ridiculous. It's early and no books have been closed yet. People can want what they want to want.

SophieSC

You are taking thinks way too personal I must say. Yes, I do think Frary fans are afraid of Mash and that's why are going with the idea of Lola. Let's be honest, you would love him to hook up with anyone but Mary. So you are accusing me of lies, why clearly you aren't even true to yourself.
You are rude and offensive, I'm not fictional character so you have no rights to say if I'm dumb, act like Queen or anything else, ok?
I have my right to disagree with you and I have right to express my opinion.
No matter what, even if Mary herself will say she loves Bash, you'll find 100 excuses to make it sounds like she didn't. I can already picture you saying :"she's in denial, she lost her memory, she lost her mind, she wanted to make Francis jealous".
I don't even want anyone to agree with me at any point. We all know what we know. You live in a world where Francis and Mary are love of each others life and bla la la. I see situation differently. You can't blame me for that. So, end of story. Period.

ds44

I ship frary but don't really crack ship bash. I simply want him to stop being a ****ty brother. I just am not here for a pairing that has bad chem