Spoilers - OUAT S&S 470: "New loves, familiar faces and exciting adventures." - Page 7

kristi_adela · 10-27-2017, 03:00 PM

Wow! The transformation is amazing.

lianamed · 10-27-2017, 03:41 PM

The once abc account on twitter was tweeting such a beautiful Rumbelle video.

So beautiful...

I don't want to say goodbye to them...

fox24 · 10-27-2017, 05:11 PM

Emma and Hook are bringing to the party and regina and zelena balloons and gummy worms by the charming it was a cute mention

scififan2009 · 10-27-2017, 05:33 PM

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Emma and Hook are bringing to the party and regina and zelena balloons and gummy worms by the charming it was a cute mention

Of course. First the crocodile crashes CS’s wedding dinner. Now this.

For continuity’s sake, I think I’ll just watch the HH scenes.

ETA Read the spoilers on tumblr....

Nooooo! Not my aussie princess.

Definitely only watching the HH scenes.

fox24 · 10-27-2017, 06:36 PM

So I get they went to a realm where time move differently after Gideon went to elf college ok but it doesn't explain the 18 years unless gold went back in time when he met Alice

kristi_adela · 10-27-2017, 06:38 PM

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Of course. First the crocodile crashes CS’s wedding dinner. Now this.

For continuity’s sake, I think I’ll just watch the HH scenes.

ETA Read the spoilers on tumblr....

Nooooo! Not my aussie princess.

Definitely only watching the HH scenes.

I don't understand what you're complaining about the birthday party for? Besides, one little mention of Hook and Emma bringing cake and Snowing bringing bubble wands, the episode had nothing to do with any couple except Rumbelle. The episode was pay off for their fans.

I loved all the sweet domestic scenes and even the bitter sweet ones. The flashbacks were the best part of tonight's show.

scififan2009 · 10-27-2017, 07:21 PM

Next week looks good.

More of Tiana/Sabine. Here for that.

kristi_adela · 10-27-2017, 08:15 PM

Once Upon a Time bosses tease what's next after Belle reveal

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Once Upon a Time bosses tease what's next after Belle reveal
Executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis also delve into that LGBT revelation

Once Upon a Time bid farewell to Belle in an emotional hour that offered quite a few answers to old and new burning questions.
In flashback, the episode followed Rumple (Robert Carlyle) and Belle (Emilie de Ravin) as they set out to see the world, with Belle eventually uncovering a prophecy that would allow Rumple to become mortal and grow old with her. After moving to the edge of realms, where time moves differently, the duo live out their lives, with Belle growing old and eventually dying. But before she does, she reveals to Rumple that she purposefully misinterpreted the prophecy — it’s actually her death that will show Rumple the path that will eventually free him from being the Dark One. Rumple realizes that once he passes the dagger on to the mysterious Guardian, he will finally be able to rest and can be reunited with Belle
Meanwhile, in Hyperion Heights, Rumple comes across Tilly (Rose Reynolds), who viewers not only learn is the LGBT character, but also find out that she’s awake from the curse. She takes pills to keep her under, but she’s off those pills and Victoria tasks Weaver with getting her back under. In a bid to get Weaver to remember who he is, an awake Alice shoots him, knowing that he’d survive since he’s immortal. But when he appears to die, Tilly takes her pills once again and goes back under. Weaver does survive, however, and it appears that he’s now awake. What’s next? EW turned to executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis to get the scoop:

Once Upon a Time bosses tease what's next after Belle reveal

Executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis also delve into that LGBT revelation

Once Upon a Time bid farewell to Belle in an emotional hour that offered quite a few answers to old and new burning questions.

In flashback, the episode followed Rumple (Robert Carlyle) and Belle (Emilie de Ravin) as they set out to see the world, with Belle eventually uncovering a prophecy that would allow Rumple to become mortal and grow old with her. After moving to the edge of realms, where time moves differently, the duo live out their lives, with Belle growing old and eventually dying. But before she does, she reveals to Rumple that she purposefully misinterpreted the prophecy — it’s actually her death that will show Rumple the path that will eventually free him from being the Dark One. Rumple realizes that once he passes the dagger on to the mysterious Guardian, he will finally be able to rest and can be reunited with Belle.

Meanwhile, in Hyperion Heights, Rumple comes across Tilly (Rose Reynolds), who viewers not only learn is the LGBT character, but also find out that she’s awake from the curse. She takes pills to keep her under, but she’s off those pills and Victoria tasks Weaver with getting her back under. In a bid to get Weaver to remember who he is, an awake Alice shoots him, knowing that he’d survive since he’s immortal. But when he appears to die, Tilly takes her pills once again and goes back under. Weaver does survive, however, and it appears that he’s now awake. What’s next? EW turned to executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis to get the scoop:

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: First off, this was definitely your take on Up, right?
EDWARD KITSIS: It’s definitely inspired by it. It really came from this place of the immortality. We said, “What if we did Up meets Benjamin Button with RumBelle?” What we really liked is at the end of last year, we wanted to feel like they lived a whole life. Yeah, that Up montage, very few things have inspired us like that.

Why did you guys decide to ultimately have Belle die? And is there any chance she could return in the future, considering the prophecy?
ADAM HOROWITZ: We don’t look at this as killing Belle, in the sense of what we really wanted to do was preserve their happy ending from last year and show that they lived the ultimate happy life together.
KITSIS: What it really comes down to is the reason we did this — it’s hard to say why we did this, but I can say in Rumple’s journey now we realize what he’s doing, he’s trying to get back to her and resist the darkness. Once again, he has to choose love over power to be with the person who was always there to guide him when that person is gone. That’s his struggle for the year. For us, we wanted to see Rumple’s battle. Also, it was like a man who spent hundreds and hundreds of years as an immortal and never wanting to age and get older, and he learned the lesson from Belle that life is only important because you only have one.

What does his hunt for the Guardian look like moving forward? Is there anything you can tease about who may be the Guardian?
KITSIS: We’re treating it like the search of a new Dalai Lama. There’s a few candidates and we’re just not quite sure which one it is yet.
HOROWITZ: We’re sure, but the audience isn’t sure. Now hopefully the audience feels invested in what Weaver’s driving force is for the rest of the season.

Rumple is doing this without the person who has been his guiding light, so will he struggle in walking that fine line of being good while finding the Guardian?
KITSIS: Yeah, he’s definitely going to be tested. He will be continually tested throughout the year.

When the prophecy says that the Dark One will finally be able to rest, does that mean Rumple has to die to be reunited with Belle?
KITSIS: That is what was said.

It looks like Rumple is awake, so what’s his next move?
KITSIS: It’s exactly that, which is Rumple is always clever and finds a loophole. Definitely at the end of this, he’s very much awake. He’s very much dedicated to his goal of finding the Guardian and reuniting with Belle, and that’s going to be driving him in every episode. In the same respect, I think he has great affection for Alice, as we saw in the episode. There’s a very father-figure-like relationship between the two of them.

It’s interesting that you bring that up because Wish Realm Hook had mentioned playing chess with his missing daughter, and now we see Rogers playing chess with Tilly. Is this your first clue to the viewers that Alice may be Hook’s daughter?
KITSIS: I can’t confirm or deny, but I’d say you certainly seem perceptive.

What’s next for the relationship between Tilly and Rogers?
KITSIS: What you’re going to see is that Rogers is going to be continually searching for this missing girl case that is haunting him, which we know is his daughter. Tilly is going to be a great informant for him going forward, but definitely there will be some surprises along the way.

Are we going to get more into Tilly/Alice’s backstory soon and why she was the first one to be awake?
KITSIS: We are going to be getting into her backstory. We are going to get a snippet of why she’s awake in this moment before the curse in the winter finale, and then we are going to be doing much more of her and her flashbacks in the second half of the season. We have a really fun arc planned coming up.

That maybe includes going to Wonderland?
KITSIS: It absolutely includes going to Wonderland for an episode, but in a different way than you think. We really are excited about Alice, and Rose Reynolds who plays her, so we have a lot of fun stuff for Alice coming up, both in backstory and in Hyperion Heights. There’s going to be a fun love story for her coming up.

Yes, you slid in the tiniest mention that Tilly has an ex-girlfriend, so presumably this is the reveal that she’s the LGBT character you guys hinted at. Can you talk about why you decided to go with Alice and how you’ll be exploring that side of her in coming episodes?
HOROWITZ: That’s just who she is, and there’s going to be a love story and also non-love stories for her, just as we would with any other character.
KITSIS: She said it as just exactly that, “I had an ex-girlfriend,” no different than anyone else who speaks of their exes, and the love story that is coming up is just as epic as anyone we’ve done before. True love is true love.

Should we be worried about Ivy having feelings for Henry?
KITSIS: Yeah, I would. Henry is a really great guy and Ivy clearly spoke to him. The Henry we’ve met believes he’s lost his family, things are weird with Jacinda, and I think that Ivy said she has less baggage. We’re just going to have to see what happens moving forward. Henry very much right now has a crush on Jacinda, but he’s not quite sure what that means and is dealing with these cursed memories. Ivy is there to try and exploit that.

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Here are a couple of lovely exit interviews with Emilie as well.

‘Once Upon a Time’ Season 7 Recap: Belle [Spoiler] – Carlyle, de Ravin Interview | TVLine
Once Upon a Time: Emilie de Ravin on heartbreaking Belle ending

"Beauty" was a perfect name for this episode. But, it sounds to me like she would not be against coming back again, perhaps Rumple will find a way to reunite with her some day.

scififan2009 · 10-27-2017, 08:57 PM

Doesn’t look like that missing girl is so missing anymore.

kristi_adela · 10-27-2017, 09:28 PM

I wonder if the curse has made Henry forget what he looked like as a child, because how else is he going to explain away that photo of him and Regina in Storybrooke? I loved the talk be tween Regina and Henry as the start of the episode. It makes me wonder who Roni thinks she has lost, because those feelings she was experiencing were real and raw. We know who Regina has lost, but I am interested in Roni's story.

I figured out how best to make sense of the timeline. Stop trying to make sense of the timeline. The writes clearly don't care. So, why should the viewers care?

Is Alice the Guardian? Because, Henry was there as well when Rumple came through the portal. Maybe, the rabbit is the Guardian? If Alice is Rogers daughter and she's the Guardian, it would be extremely interesting to see their fates intertwined.

CityGal · 10-27-2017, 11:12 PM

Thanks for the interview links and promo.

scififan2009 · 10-28-2017, 03:23 AM

Anyway, I cannot support the idea of Henry and Ivy. Because 1. He’s cursed, and 2. She’s his wicked step-sister-in-law.

lianamed · 10-28-2017, 04:04 AM

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Anyway, I cannot support the idea of Henry and Ivy. Because 1. He’s cursed, and 2. She’s his wicked step-sister-in-law.

I don't think it's romantic on his side, or, at least, I didn't get that vibe. It could become romantic on her side, because lonely people often confuse friendship and love, especially when they have no one who cares about her, as it is the case.

And once she realizes she wanted someone who cares about her, and being wicked as she is, I'm pretty sure she will do whatever it takes to get it. It's sad, though. If she wasn't so evil and selfish herself, I would feel sorry for her. She is so starving for attention she misunderstands being a nice, caring human being for something more.

ETA: Is it me, or does it really looks like Ivy is the one leading Regina to where her picture with Henry is hidden? Will she start to help them, now? Or, at least, will she starts to help them *a little* when it suits her to?

I also noticed this *curse* isn't as strong as the dark curse was. It "leaks" too much. First, Henry's family not being burried where they were supposed to, then, Rogers remembering his meeting with Emma (granted it was an altered memory, but it was enough to make him pause), we have Tilly remembering exactly what she had to do to wake Rumple, and next week Roni finding this picture?

The Dark Fairy was more competent when she created her curse than whoever created this one, because it the key to keep people from remembering is keeping them apart, than this is failing miserably because they all keep finding each other.

MinutesToMidnight · 10-28-2017, 04:14 AM

I loved this episode. From the beginning to the last moment. It was one of their best in a long time imo. Rumple's motivation in HH from now on when he is awake makes so much sense now. I like all of his scenes with Alice's too. It's one of the best things of this new season so far, this dynamic of theirs. I wasn't surprised by it but I'm happy that they revealed Alice as the LGBT character too.

fox24 · 10-28-2017, 05:00 AM

I still need an explanation for the 18 years for my sanity. I can't just go with it

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