Belleislove

Violet Ink is hilarious!

Does anyone else think this is going to end tragically though?

CohenGal

I agree. DO Emma is still Emma, and Killian is not giving up but is struggling to see her true self inside of her. He doesn't like being manipulated and kept in the dark by her (he really wants to know what's behind that locked door in her house), and I don't think he knows how to deal with this new version of her just yet. He loved her as she was, he loved knocking down her walls, and he's still adjusting to this change. I don't think it means he doesn't love her, he just wants to help her but he doesn't know how.

And Emma doesn't interact with her parents tonight (at least not in Storybrooke; they're in scenes together in Camelot, but don't really interact much). (Her parents talk about her, though, in one of my favorite scenes, and David is very frustrated at not being able to help her.)


ETA: Robin says this to Killian in a moment of levity, leading to the sonogram conversation.

koodles

I love VioletInk! Nice name Meggy.

Apparently A&E confirmed at the NYCC panel that yes, Henry's first relationship would be heartbreaking.

They also confirmed Morgan le Fey would not make an appearance so the theory than Violet is secretly that character has been trumped.

Agree! Belle never enabled Rumple. She supported him while he was trying to redeem himself and while keeping her distance. Then after he "died" a heroic death, she believed understandably he was redeemed and married him. She did not enable Rumple's actions in S4, she was tricked and kept in the dark. And when she found out she not only broke up with him, she kicked him out of town.

That is NOT enabling.

wild sage growing

confessor_meggy

^ *Searches enabling on the dictionary and agrees with you both
I agree! And thanks for the update on the Charmings. What are they waiting for them to interact in SB???

Nailed it

lianamed

I think there are moments when you need to distance yourself and moments when you are needed besides the person. The question is to how do you found out which moment is this one.

For example, we are talking how much Belle made Rumple stronger when she was beside him and I do agree that she did. However, in season two I also believed distancing herlsef from Rumple in season two, and letting him prove to her he truly wanted to change was what first made Rumple decide he wanted to be a better man. It was the first step.

So, I can hardly blame Killian for not wanting to be with Emma when he witnessed, first hand, she turn a dwarf into stone just because he was wearing an outfit similar to the one she used to wear and after she told them all they would be "punished". How can he condone that behavior if Emma doesn't even assure him she is "sorry" and she won't do it any more?

Belle left Rumple when she found out he tried to kill Regina even though she had no love left for her at the time. She also didn't stay with him after she found out he was practising magic behind her back, and she only accepted dating him after he opened himself to her and told her why he needed the curse and why he brought magic to Storybroke.

So far, Emma has not given Killian one single reason for him to believe there is any good left in her. How can anyone expect him to just go ahead if he has yet to see "the woman behind the beast"? I've no doubt that if she does show him, and it's something truthful and not a manipulation, well, then we will see.

But right now? Killian isn't wrong. He has no reason to believe in this Emma just like Belle didn't have any reason to believe in Rumple in 4B.

scififan2009

Killian wants to save Emma from the darkness. And Emma doesn't believe she needs saving.

Radames

Well it's because of her father attacking his mother that he's dead, so yeah I do expect tragedy.

lianamed

Violet is Percival's daughter?

scififan2009

Violet is Sir Lionel's daughter.

lianamed

And Sir Lionel's is alive, right?

scififan2009

He's meant to be in the Dreamcatcher episode.

lianamed

And is there any reason to believe he is dead? Or that Regina is to blame for his death if he is? I don't think they would make her responsible for anyone else dying in Camelot... IMO, Percival's death was more than enough...

koodles

I don't think we've received any confirmation that Violet's father has died. I think the actor was signed on for a multi-episode arc that begins in 5x05.

Good points!

I agree Belle keeping her distance and showing Rumple that what they shared could be broken also played a part in helping him redeem himself.

I think we have to see the scene to make absolutely sure, but based on the play by play of the scene, it didn't sound like Emma was asking Killian to be with her or help her. It sounded instead like right before she proofed out (after she got the sword she came for) she asked Killian if he loves her. Maybe I'm wrong but to me that sounds like Emma reaching out, looking for something good and genuine. Something that might help her hope and believe.

Like I said before I think it was a lie/mistake on Killian's part to say "I loved you" which is essentially saying "I don't love you anymore."

Given how much emphasis this show places on the power of hope and love, I think Emma believing she is unloved will push her further into darkness and cause Killian to regret his words.

scififan2009

Nope.