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OTH [NHJ] S&S #144: B/C "You may take my life, but you will never take my Nathan!"




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Season 5

NOTE: The episodes in which these spoilers take place are unconfirmed
  • Nathan does not cheat on Haley. He loves his family very much.

  • Carrie throws herself at Nathan and he rejects her harshly.

  • Haley asks for a divorce at some point after catching Nathan/Carrie in a compromising shower situation in 5.09.

  • Nathan/Haley do not divorce. They are reconciled by 5.12.




5.05 - "I Forgot To Remember To Forget"


Scheduled Air Date: January 29, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: Terrence Coli
Director: Liz Friedlander
Song Artist: The Cure


DAPHNE ZUNIGA RETURNS — In an episode set three years in the past, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) visits Peyton (Hilarie Burton) in Los Angeles with an offer that will change their relationship forever. Under pressure from Victoria (guest star Daphne Zuniga, "Melrose Place"), Brooke (Sophia Bush) must make a difficult decision about the future of her clothing line. Whitey (guest star Barry Corbin) is concerned when Nathan's (James Lafferty) temper flares on the night of the college basketball championship. Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti) struggles to balance the pressures of school and being a new mom. Lee Norris and Antwon Tanner also star.



5.05 Filming Spoilers
  • "In the morning they filmed at Nathan/Haley apartment (that's how the call sheet calls it). First James, Joy and third person, then Chad, Joy and the same third person. We still don't know who that person was though, but a couple of persons that were there told us there was no child around, so I guess it was not Jamie. We can tell you it was probably a flashback because we saw Joy and she had extensions." (Credit to Manu9)

  • "I was there yesterday when they filmed the basketball game, and there weren't too many shots that us extras saw where there was any one-on-one speaking. There were a lot of bball scenes and some scenes with Coach Lucas talking with the team during a time out.The game is a flashback of when the team that Nathan plays on wins the championship. We filmed a scene where he scores the winning shot and then runs over to Lucas and hugs him. There is an exchange between Whitey and Lucas where Whitey gets upset and walks off the court. Then there was a scene where Haley sat in the crowd with Jamie and reacted to the scenes that were being played. Then she was on the court with Nathan for a minute but there wasn't any dialogue from what I could tell. Joy had on the green dress from the other night." (Credit to Jill713 @ OTH Forums)

5.05 Side Summaries
  • Scene 11: College flashback. In the Locker Room, Nathan's being interviewed by a reporter as he changes back into his clothes. The reporter comments about how the scouts will probably take notice and Nathan says he's just happy to be playing the game and that this year taught him that the most important thing is his family. Lucas approaches and tells Nathan that the bus is leaving. As they walk out, Nathan tells him that that was the first time he wasn't asked about the point shaving.

  • Scene 12: College flashback. When they exit the stadium, Jamie and Haley are waiting for them. Haley tells Nathan he can ride with the team, she just wanted to say goodbye. They kiss and Nathan tells Jamie to "get some sleep kiddo" and he'll see him at home. As Lucas and Nathan make their way through the crowd to the bus, a fan calls out to Nathan that he has a cute kid and he wonders if he'll grow up to be a cheater like his old man. Nathan ad Lucas both try to ignore him, but the guy keeps pushing him. In a flash, Nathan gets him by the throat and threatens to shave the guys face into the pavement. Lucas wraps himself around Nathan and drags him onto the bus as Whitey stares from a distance, troubled.


5.06 - "Don't Dream It's Over"


Tentative Air Date: February 5, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: Mark Schwahn
Director: Tom Wright
Song Artist: Crowded House


CONFRONTATION ALL AROUND — Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) confronts Peyton (Hilarie Burton) about her harsh treatment of Lindsey (guest star Michaela McManus, "The Beautiful Lie"). Brooke (Sophia Bush) intervenes when Victoria (guest star Daphne Zuniga, "Melrose Place") meddles with Peyton’s record label. Nathan (James Lafferty) grows closer to Jamie’s (Jackson Brundage) live-in nanny, Carrie (guest star Torrey DeVitto, "Beautiful People"), while Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti) is challenged by her difficult student Quentin (guest star Robbie Jones). Mouth (Lee Norris) is torn between loyalty to his co-workers and his illicit affair with his boss Alice (guest star Kelly Collins Lintz, "Surface"). Antwon Tanner also stars.



5.06 Side Summaries
  • Scene 3: The beginning of the side has a Skills/Nathan scene that is odd. Very odd.Skills states never to date girls named Bevin. He also makes a strange comment about how Santa Claus is black. Nathan asks him if he said anything about the Easter Bunny. Nathan tells him not to say anything about Dan until they can figure out that situation. Skills says that he won't say a word. I think they are talking about something that Skills has told Jamie, because Skills mentions that the "kid" would have asked a lot of questions.


5.07 - "In Da Club"


Tentative Air Date: February 12, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: Mike Herro & David Strauss
Director: Greg Prange
Song Artist: 50 Cent


KEVIN FEDERLINE RETURNS AND MUSICAL GROUP THE HONORARY TITLE PERFORM AT TRIC — It's a Tree Hill reunion as the entire gang gathers at Tric to see The Honorary Title perform. While Peyton (Hilarie Burton) and Haley (Bethany JoyGaleotti) see this as an opportunity to introduce their musical act, Carrie (guest star Torrey DeVitto, "Beautiful People") sees it as a chance to get closer to Nathan (James Lafferty). Brooke (Sophia Bush) forces an unsuspecting Mouth (Lee Norris) to go on a blind date with Millicent (guest star Lisa Goldstein). Lindsey (guest star Michaela McManus, "The Beautiful Lie") confronts Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) about sneaking off to see Peyton. Antwon Tanner also stars.



5.07 General Spoilers
  • Lindsey has lightened her hair to the same shade as Peyton's. Haley comments on the change in a scene with Lindsey. (Credit to Erin/Taylor)

  • Haley and Nathan are talking at the bar. Brooke walks up to NH complaining about her mom. Haley replies back, "Hey, I'm a mom too." Brooke says that doesn't count b/c she was married and pregnant by the time she graduated high school, so she will be in a home by the time she turns 35. I don't think Brooke was insulting Haley. I think it was just supposed to be funny. Brooke walks away and Haley then tells Nathan she has to go backstage.

  • Carrie is at the bar. Jason approaches and asks to buy her a drink. Nathan intervenes and sit down in the chair next to Carrie and tells Jason to back off. Jason walks away. Carrie walks away. Quentin approaches Nathan and comments that he shouldn't look so jealous since his wife is in the same bar as he is. Nathan replies back that Quentin is stupid because he is hanging out in the same bar as his coach. Quentin walks away. Camera stays on Nathan sitting alone.

  • Nathan is drinking water at the bar. Carrie comes up to him. She is dressed in a short, red halter dress Nathan comments that she looks nice. She says something like, "Thanks. It's about to come off." She also asks where Haley is and then orders two shots. She asks why Nathan isn't drinking and he says something about how he is trying to change.

  • Fight: Jason grabs Haley's ass, and Nathan pushes him. The scene has Mia, Haley, Peyton, Nathan, Quentin and Carrie. Carrie is watching with the crowd gathered around. After Nathan pushes Jason, Quentin steps in and punches Jason. Nathan stops Quentin from causing more harm and pulls him away.

  • Later, NH argue about Nathan's fight with Jason. Haley doesn't like how Nathan always thinks that she is some damsel in distress. She reminds him that the last fight in a bar led to something really bad happening.

  • Haley comments on how Nathan is drinking water and he says that he is trying to be responsible. Quentin comes up to talk with them. Haley grabs a drink that was apparently Quentin's and hands to someone else.

  • Haley/Lindsey scene: Lindsey is ranting to Haley about Peyton. (Peyton overhears) Lindsey rants that Peyton used to be just a character in a book, but now she's come to life. She admits maybe she's just paranoid. But she also said it just seems like everything they do (meaning L/L) involves Peyton somehow.

  • Peyton/Haley scene: Peyton is actually the one who interrupts the Haley/Lindsey conversation. She tells Haley that she has to talk with her, and then when Haley goes with her, Peyton tells her that she was just trying to get her away from Lindsey. Then the two talk about Mia's upcoming performance and if she is excited or nervous.

  • Owen puts a check in a martini glass and hands it to Lucas. Peyton glares at Lucas from across the room. Lucas admits that he's having a hard time being friends with Peyton. Nathan says that it was easier with him and Peyton because they were never in love. Lucas says that Lindsey is mad too, but Nathan points out that Lucas seems more upset about the Peyton thing. (Credit to meluvsjames)

  • After this L/N exchange, Carrie walks up and asks Nathan a question about girlfriends and exes. (Credit to meluvsjames)

  • Owen pours a drink and Lucas assumes that Quentin is going to drink it. Quentin makes a joke about it, and then Nathan comes and takes the drink claiming it as his. (Credit to meluvsjames)

  • Nathan is still limping.

5.07 Filming Spoilers
  • Scene 30: "There was a scene between Peyton and Haley. This also happened to be the scene where Mia gets up and sings. When she gets to the mic, Jason (K-Fed) yells, 'You suck; get off the stage, ho!' then Nathan tells him, 'why don't you shut the hell up.' She sings and then Peyton and Haley congratulate her on a really good job and then all three join in on a group hug." (Credit to Taylor)

  • "In the scene where Carrie is taking shots, there is a conversation with Nathan where she mentions something that happened with Jamie, from the looks of it something not so good happened. Nathan tells Carrie not to tell Haley. As of episode 5.07 there is absolutely nothing romantic between Nathan and Carrie." (Credit to Taylor)

5.07 Side Summaries
  • Scene 12: Tric. Carrie approaches Nathan and asks what he and Lucas have been talking about. Nathan tells her they have been talking about exes. Smiling, Carrie asks if he means girlfriends or wives.


5.08 - "Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want"


Tentative Air Date: February 19, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: Mike Daniels
Director: Paul Johansson
Song Artist: The Smiths



5.08 General Spoilers
  • Haley has a serious discussion with Lucas about his engagement. She wants to make sure that he knows what he is doing and that he understands that marriage is a serious thing.

  • Nathan is helping coach the Ravens now.

5.08 Side Summaries
  • Scene 14- Skills is apparently congratulating Lucas on the new lucky woman in his life. He jokes about who it is, and Lucas is like, "It's Lindsey, of course." Nathan says that it's a legitimate comment considering that Peyton is in town, and Skills says that Brooke is around too. Quentin enters the office with a bandage on his wrist.

  • Scene 15- Nathan/Quentin clash in a locker room scene. Quentin has apparently sprained his wrist for hitting a guy while defending Haley's honor. Quentin says that he did it because Nathan wasn't man enough to do it. Nathan corrects him saying, "My wife's honor isn't something some loudmouth in a bar can take away." Nathan stalks away when the trainer says Quentin could be out as long as a month. Quentin calls out to Nathan saying he knows what Nathan really wants to ask and the answer is it felt damn good to lay that guy out for his wife.


5.09 - "For Tonight You're Only Here To Know"


Tentative Air Date: February 26, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: ???
Director: Joe Davola
Song Artist: The Distillers



5.09 General Spoilers
  • Carrie walks in behind Nathan in the shower and for a second he thinks she's Haley. Of course, Haley walks in and witnesses this scene. Carrie's fired on the spot.

  • The Ravens are playing their first basketball game of the season. It's Lucas's first game as the coach and Nathan's as an assistant coach.

  • Some awkwardness abounds as Peyton has to witness Brooke and Haley hanging out with Lindsey.


5.10 - "Running To Stand Still"


Tentative Air Date: March 4, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: ???
Director: ???
Song Artist: U2



5.10 Side Summaries
  • Scene 23: Lucas and Nathan are driving to Dan's parole hearing in Nathan's Range Rover. Lucas asks how it went with Haley. Nathan tells him she'll need some time, and Lucas tells Nathan to give it to her as Nathan owes her that. Nathan makes a comment on how it would have been nice for them to have a father to go to for advice.

  • Scene 26: Nathan/Lucas at Dan's parole hearing: Dan makes a speech to the parole board about how if he's allowed parole, he'll devote his time to helping his family and those he hurt by his actions. Lucas, clearly not buying this, tells the parole board that Dan abandoned him and that Keith was always there for him. Lucas states that he's getting married next week, and that Keith would have been his best man. Lucas asks how a father can hope to be an influence on sons who have never come to visit him in prison. The parole administrator states that the file indicates that Nathan recently came to visit Dan. Lucas is startled by this.


5.11 - "You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side"


Tentative Air Date: March 11, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: ???
Director: Michael J. Leone
Song Artist: Morrissey



5.11 General Spoilers
  • No information currently available.


5.12 - "Hundred"


Tentative Air Date: March 18, 2008 @ 9:00PM EST

Writer: Mark Schwahn
Director: Les Butler
Song Artist: The Fray



5.12 General Spoilers
  • Final episode to be filmed for 2007.

  • Carrie kidnaps Jamie from Lucas and Lindsey's wedding, but a seemingly reformed Dan saves him. However, when Dan is later found with Jamie, the episode ends on a cliffhanger with everyone assuming that he was the kidnapper.

  • Nathan gives Lucas advice to go after Lindsey. He tells him to look into his heart and if she is still there to go after her. Lucas says that he still wants to be with her so Nathan tells him to go find her. Of course there is more brotherly love in this scene including a hug so that's something. (Credit to Taylor)

  • The last scene in the last episode will include all the cast members... and will have an interesting ending.

  • There is a Naley flashback that happens sometime after they get married and before Haley gets pregnant where her and Nathan discuss their future and their plans to have kids. This is when the "I will love you forever" line happens. I wasn't going to mention the shower fiasco because it came from a anonymous source of mine and I didn't want all hell breaking loose. But Carrie is fired because she gets in the shower naked with Nathan and Haley walks in shortly after. In the flashback Haley says, "I want a little boy with your eyes," and Nathan responds with, "I want a little girl just like you." My source on this scene is very accurate. This flashback will air in 5.12. (Credit to Taylor)

5.12 Filming Spoilers
  • "We started off by filming Haley walking down the aisle as the maid of honor, next was Jamie as the ring bearer, Lily as the flower girl and finally Lindsey walked down the isle to 'Here Comes the Bride'. Next we filmed the scene where Lindsey runs out of the church, and she does in fact run, and Haley runs out after her. "We also filmed a scene where Peyton has a 'dream' or it is considered a dream sequence. The extras were asked to stand right outside of the door to throw birdseed up in the air. I thought it would be Lucas and Lindsey of coarse but it happened to be Lucas and Peyton and Haley and Brooke both are there as Peyton's bridesmaids in matching teal dresses. "Nathan and Haley are on very shaky ground at this point. I was under the impression that they aren't even living together at this point and time. They were very distant at the wedding. "Torrey's (Carrie's) hair is now black, Jackson had his blond up until Friday. Haley is wearing a black dress with some lace, she looks very beautiful. Peyton is in a strapless grey dress with black beads on it and Brooke is in a knee length purple strapless dress, all of the girls looked gorgeous! Nathan is in a black suit with a black bow tie." (Credit to Taylor)

5.12 Side Summaries
  • Scenes 24-26: Flashback. Nathan promises Haley that he's going to love her forever, and they kiss as we hear a string quartet begin to play in the church. Present day inside the church. Lindsey appears behind Jamie and Lily, the ring bearer and flower girl, as the wedding march begins. On the balcony, the organist sees the back of a woman watching the wedding taking place below. Mentioning that she may like to find a seat with everyone else, the woman responds that she's fine where she is. She then informs the organist that "my son's the ring bearer." Turning around, she is revealed to be Carrie, Jamie's former nanny, and she is wearing an "eerie grin" as we reach the end of Act 1.

  • Scene 27: Inside the church. Lucas and Lindsey's wedding. The kids (Jamie/Lily) are leading Lindsey down the aisle as Nanny Carrie watches from above. As Lily passes Peyton, she tosses petals into the air prompting a flashback to 4.09 from Peyton.

  • Scene 29: Brooke walks up to the front to begin her reading, as she does this Nathan steals a glance at Haley.

  • Scene 32: Lucas slips a ring on Lindsey's finger as Jamie whispers to Skills he has to go to the bathroom. Skills doesn't want him to go alone, but Jamie pleads saying Lily will make fun of him and that he knows where it is. Skills agrees making him promise to come right back.

  • Scene 33: In the foyer, Jamie runs into Carrie, shocked to see her. He hugs her and she lies to him saying his mom and dad said she could be with him again, then urges him to go with her. He protests, but she tells him she loves him and asks if he trusts her. He takes her hand.

  • Scene 43: Outside the church. Nathan comes up to Haley, Skills, Karen and Andy. Haley starts to panic and tells Nathan they can't find Jamie and that Dan was there earlier. Haley says she told Dan not to come into the church and her words become frantic. Nathan rushes out into the street to stop a police car. Nathan tells them his son is missing. The cops don't believe him at first and wonder if he's had a few drinks at the reception. Nathan goes off, not believing the cop is asking him that when his son is missing. He tells them his name and that his father is Dan Scott, a murderer. Haley and the rest reach Nathan. The policeman asks for a description. Haley notes Nathan's strength and springs into action. She tells the cop her son is 4 and a half years old, was wearing a black tuxedo, has blue eyes and sandy blonde hair.

  • Scene 44: Carrie in a motel bathroom washing the dye out of Jamie's hair. She tells him this will be so fun, he'll have black hair just like her. Jamie thinks his mama will be mad. Carrie smiles and pushes his head back under the faucet, quietly, to herself, telling him that she's going to be his mama now. Her grin turns a bit warped and that's the end of Act 4.




Season 5/Season 6

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  • Haley will discover she is pregnant while she and Nathan are estranged.









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5.05 - "I Forgot To Remember To Forget"




5.07 - "In Da Club"



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(Credit: Laurie @ LP thread)








Season 5 Long Version General Promo #1
(short clips of Nathan and Haley)

Season 5 Long Version General Promo #2
(short clips of Nathan and Haley)

Season 5 Nathan Promo
(focuses on Nathan's depression)

Fast Forward on The Scott Family
(interviews with Joy and James)

Fast Forward on New Faces
(NH scene and interviews about Jackson)

5.05 Sneak Peek: Nathan/Haley/Jamie
(Haley and Jamie watch Nathan's game)

5.05 Sneak Peek: Nathan/Haley/Jamie
(Jamie says his first word)




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5.05 - "I Forgot To Remember To Forget"

NH College Apartment Flashback
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NL Basketball Game Flashback
(Credit: Jill713)



Scene 12: NHL Basketball Game Flashback
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Chad and Joy talking between takes
James and Chad filming
Joy and baby in rehearsal
Joy between takes
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NT: It's not about getting even. It's about letting Haley live her own life.

And it's not just annoying. It's offensive and disgusting. And pretty much a dealbreaker for me. I'll never ship NH in the same way again. Actually, I really haven't since the beginning of Season 4, but I was almost reclaiming it for a bit before all this crap went down. Too bad that's ruined.


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yeay! Thanks for the new thread.

And continuing from the last thread... when does Nathan invite coworkers over for a drink?

of course it's not about getting even. But why can Nathan treat their marriage like some joke and Haley just be the faithful wife that lets Nathan step all over her?
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when does Nathan invite coworkers over for a drink?
Apparently he's having drinks with Carrie at the house. It's pretty much the same thing.


You know at least in all those ridiculous movies, you knew it was one-sided. Mark just couldn't resist making Nathan an active partner in this mess. I hope he has fun redeeming his character.
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Apparently he's having drinks with Carrie at the house. It's pretty much the same thing.
Oh god... I really do need a wastecan from episode 5x06 to the end of the season. This is going to be gag-worthy. I'm sick of it...
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How do you know she doesn't care to find out? We don't know when she asks for one. It could be after she processes everything in 510. She might already know what happened, but still wants a divorce.
You've got me, I don't know that she doesn't care to find out. But quite honestly, the only scenario that makes me consider her request for divorce to be remotely understandable, is if she throws it out there in a fit of pique after witnessing showergate, without knowing what was really going on. If Nathan tells her what was really going on and she asks for a divorce anyway, I'm sorry, but I think that would make Haley the unreasonable one.

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Not if they've filed for a divorce it wouldn't be. Their marriage would already be over. Plenty of legally separated people date while the paperwork is being processed.
Ah see, I didn't realise you meant divorce. When you said separated I thought you meant like a trial separation. Since they're not getting divorced, it's all moot anyway.


And I know I'm wasting my breath, but we still don't know Nathan does anything inappropriate with Carrie. We've got two reliable sources telling us completely opposite things.
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If Nathan tells her what was really going on and she asks for a divorce anyway, I'm sorry, but I think that would make Haley the unreasonable one.
Why does it make her unreasonable? Maybe she's just sick of the whole thing. Nathan's always in the middle of something or other.

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People date during trial separations too. Normally when you separate you don't always expect to reunite. It's normally the first thing you do before filing for divorce.

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And I know I'm wasting my breath, but we still don't know Nathan does anything inappropriate with Carrie.
It's pretty much all inappropriate in my book. I don't like them having scenes at all.
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I agree... Carrie/Nathan scenes anger me to no end.

I don't think Haley would be unreasonable at all. They've always had issues dealing with Nathan hiding stuff from her... that's a big issue that never seems to be dealt with. Even after Nathan told her he was going to let her all the way in. I couldn't continue living like that with my husband doing things behind my back because he thinks it'd be best not to tell me.
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And I know I'm wasting my breath, but we still don't know Nathan does anything inappropriate with Carrie. We've got two reliable sources telling us completely opposite things.
If Rebecca thinks that there may be scenario's where Nathan is "not as oblvious" and "not as innocent" (her words) with Carrie as he was with Rachel (which IMO was bad) towards Carrie than I am certainly going to expect that. I always thought Nathan would come out looking bad in this and i don't think I'll be disappointed.
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IF Nathan or Haley were about to date anyone you'll see that it's going to be so weird that you would want for them to be back together in a second because you are used to watch them together.

I'm going to wait and see maybe that won't be that bad as people think. It's a good thing that I live in France because I'm going to have the choice to see what I want and not have to watch it live.
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IF Nathan or Haley were about to date anyone you'll see that it's going to be so weird that you would want for them to be back together in a seconds because you are used to watch them together.
I sadly don't think that way anymore.


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If Rebecca thinks that there may be scenario's where Nathan is "not as oblivious" and "not as innocent" (her words) with Carrie as he was with Rachel (which IMO was bad) towards Carrie than I am certainly going to expect that. I always thought Nathan would come out looking bad in this and i don't think I'll be disappointed.
Exactly. He was supposed to be oblivious with Rachel and look how that turned out. I bet he totally reciprocates with Carrie and then pretends to only want his wife because he's guilty for wanting another woman.

I just can't blame this all on Carrie and her fun psychosis. Nathan leads her on. He's just as responsible for what happens.
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I sadly don't think that way anymore.




Exactly. He was supposed to be oblivious with Rachel and look how that turned out. I bet he totally reciprocates with Carrie and then pretends to only want his wife because he's guilty for wanting another woman.

I just can't blame this all on Carrie and her fun psychosis. Nathan leads her on. He's just as responsible for what happens.
aww... that is sad... .

I've never thought Nathan deserved her. The only thing that made it okay in my book is that Haley deserves someone who will love her unconditionally, and Nathan does that. But she also deserves someone who doesn't take her for granted, and he falls short in that department sometimes.
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Why does it make her unreasonable?
Because Nathan hasn't done anything to deserve it. If she throws it out there when she's angry, and doesn't really mean it, I can at least somewhat understand that. I don't agree with it, and I don't like it, but I can understand it. If he explains what really happened and she still doesn't believe him or think it's good enough, I think she would be crapping on their relationship - again. For all the things Nathan has done wrong, with the exception of those four months when he pretty much had a breakdown, he's always treated his wife and child like the most important things in his life; IMO, obviously.

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People date during trial separations too.
Which I don't agree with. If you're married, you're married. But that's JMO.

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It's pretty much all inappropriate in my book. I don't like them having scenes at all.
Which is a slightly different issue, no? Your personal opinion is that it's all inappropriate, but that's not necessarily an indicator that it was meant to be that way. It's the banned word again.

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Originally Posted by WildcatNaleyFan
They've always had issues dealing with Nathan hiding stuff from her... that's a big issue that never seems to be dealt with. Even after Nathan told her he was going to let her all the way in. I couldn't continue living like that with my husband doing things behind my back because he thinks it'd be best not to tell me.
But then Haley's keeping things from him, too. That's why I keep chanting the mantra that they're both at fault, and both need to take the stick out of their butt and start talking to each other.

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Originally Posted by MariB
If Rebecca thinks that there may be scenario's where Nathan is "not as oblvious" and "not as innocent" (her words) with Carrie as he was with Rachel (which IMO was bad) towards Carrie than I am certainly going to expect that.
But then Mal says the complete opposite, and Mal was the source for most of the information that started this. Either Mal's reliable, in which case we can reasonably trust everything, or she isn't, in which case almost everything we've been discussing for the last twelve hours is irrelevant. Rebecca says it might come across that way, but she's not completely sure. Mal says she's completely sure Nathan doesn't do anything. Both can't be right, so you either wait and see, or pick a side. I don't know for sure that nothing will happen, but I'm not writing anyone off until I do.
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