Kendra Luehr

Kendra Luehr

*I figured I'd re-post my commentary from the last thread, so that way you guys won't have to keep referring to the second thread and we'll have something to keep the conversation going. ^^

Ilda: That's a smart idea. I guess I'm just too lazy to write them in Word first, which makes no sense, but oh well.

Beeeautiful art! You make yours in Photoshop, right? Changing that girl's hair color is relatively easy. You can use the selection brush and select her hair, then copy it to another layer so you can lower the brightness and change the coloring. I have to do that a lot in manips (but not necessarily with hair -- sometimes it's with clothing or skin tone). And I like the PSD! It has a dream-like quality to it. ^^

We only seem to get cute moments in fanfiction (even though I thought the two scenes in 1x12 were cute in a dark sort of way lol :3). Haha aww, I still liked that scene, even if it ended badly... :S It would've been nice if he could've somehow made her feel safe, but I doubt that would've happened since the whole lure thing came to light. In essence, it was Abigail's fault for making him snap, because her confession was what tipped him over the edge. If she hadn't asked him if he liked to hunt, maybe things would've been different. But yeah, any time somebody corners another person against a wall, it seems very intimate. Getting in someone's personal space is intimate in general, but often times in TV shows/movies it can be misconstrued as being sexual. But in this case I don't mind it. xP haha

She might be OCD, but it's weird that she doesn't want to eat. :/

Btw, I saw you posted CH 2 on AO3. You know you can add chapters to the original story, right? Most people prefer that you do that.

I was confused by the tweet, so I'm wondering what it could mean...

OMG. Guillermo Navarro directed that episode?? I just saw a movie directed by him called The Burning Plain (or at least, I'm pretty sure it was directed by him), and it was so, so, SO good! It was told in the same kind of choppy, all over the place style, though in this case it made sense. In 1x9 it was a tad confusing. Hmm, I think I've actually seen that interview before... And now it seems to coincide with the final episode of the season, too, because it suggests that he did murder her (even though he didn't).

I agree... It's just as big of an impact to make the characters believe she's dead, and the impact would be even MORE significant if she were alive and came back. I'd die at the look on everyone's face. And tbh, I don't see how Bryan can call the Hannibal/Abigail relationship "touching" if she's really dead. Maybe if she's alive it can be "touching" (though I definitely don't think it is), but why would he call it that if Hannibal murdered her in cold blood? It doesn't make any sense!

Wow, seriously? Kacey looks so young...I couldn't imagine her acting as a lawyer! Is her lawyer role in a movie, or maybe that Cracked show?

What show did you like but isn't on anymore? I hate it when that happens... It almost makes it seem like it's not worth investing in.

Omg! You and your ear analyses! That's true, though...I wonder if that was intentional? o_O It was the other ear that was cut off though, so Idk. He had his lips on her cheek at one point. If I were Kacey, I'd enjoy that scene a little too much. "CUT!" ..."Wait, why are we cutting?" "I JUST WANT TO RE-SHOOT THE SCENE, OK?!"

lmfao! No, Hobbs did NOT grab Abigail's boob, lololol. I'd have to rewatch, but I don't think he pinned her in a way that gave a "boobie squish." haha

That's weird... Especially since Hannibal planned on hurting Abigail anyway. Maybe he was just strengthening his alibi? By telling Will that he sounded paranoid, that could make Will believe he hurt Abigail.

Dark Shadows is a 1960's gothic soap opera about vampires, witches, warlocks, werewolves, etc., and I completely love it. There was an episode where someone came back from the dead, and she appeared in court to testify against the man she loved. It made me think of what could happen if that were with Will and Abigail.

Dunderhead is old-fashioned, so don't worry, hardly anybody uses it. I just tend to speak "old" sometimes. lol

Hm, well I'd accept hypnotism over Will not caring for sure, because it doesn't make ANY sense that he'd just sit there twiddling his thumbs. As we've seen time and time again, Will is a man who takes action. He wouldn't just sit idly by and let Abigail get hurt. T_T

I don't think Will saw blood in the forest...it was just in his dream. Then he woke up as if he'd actually been walking through the woods, so that might've confused/disoriented him about the timeline.

Well, I highly doubt they'd keep the deleted scenes from us, but you never know. I don't think they mind giving out clues, because their hints are always very subtle...the show is chock-full of symbolism and foreshadowing, so I don't see why they'd keep any from us. And Hannibal/Abigail scenes could be just as much of a hint as Will/Abigail ones, IMO (if not more since he's the one orchestrating everything).

Walls reference? I'm feeling very slow today, sorry.

Was this from 1x12 where Will was taking his pills? It's odd that I don't remember him taking them in front of Hannibal, but it makes sense.

Ok! And when you learn how to tweet, we can both do ours around the same time for more impact.

I can't talk long since I'm going to go buy my car ( ), but I'll post my fanfic blurbs later this evening.

Oh, and my friend brought up another great point (she's so smart!): the Chesapeake Ripper committed well-planned, organized crimes. Will's mental state was erratic and paranoid, which would NOT allow him to be organized at ALL. It doesn't jive with the MO!

Btw, this song makes me think of Will/Abby, but only in an AU where Abigail survives. Because it says "I'm leaving for another kind of world" (which makes me think of Abby changing her identity), and then she says, "Don't be sorry 'cause tomorrow never dies," so it makes me think of her telling people like Will not to mourn her. It's kind of a sad song... And believe it or not, it's from one of my brother's games (Hit Man). He's the one who introduced me to it. I think it's pretty and James Bond-like. ^^

Ladyfuschia

TFTNT!

You did a good job Kendra!

Persephone

Kendra Luehr

Imane: Thank you! :3 It took me like 12 tries to get it right. xD

Ilda: LOL Well that's alright. I hate it when that happens, though...yet more proof that technology is often times frustrating!

You gave up because of the clothes color, or because you couldn't figure out how to change the color? Sometimes it doesn't look perfect and I can have trouble matching lighting/colors; I'm definitely no expert! I actually had a Graphic Design class in high school where we used Photoshop for everything. I wish I could remember some of the stuff we learned! :/

I don't think my friend knows about this site, tbh. I always enjoy her insight though, because she majored in Psychology and is always pointing out really interesting things! Like, she was able to diagnose Franklin...she said she was disappointed they didn't continue his story arc, because he had something she always found fascinating. I forget the exact name (I'd have to go back through our messages), but I looked it up on wikipedia. For some reason the article mentioned Bonnie and Clyde, so I think they were implying that those two killers had the disorder. Anyway, I don't know if she likes Will/Abigail...I can tell she likes Hannibloom, though. ^^

That can't be right! Celebs aren't going to follow all of their followers, so that'd be stupid if they can't see your tweets unless they follow you. I hope that article's wrong... Though I've never had a celeb answer a tweet, so Idk. xD Do you have to follow someone in order to tweet them? I actually did follow Emilie when I tweeted her, so Idk if it's like on Tumblr where you have to follow them first. :/ Lame.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. But the phrase "climbing walls" suggests that someone is breaking down their barriers and "overcoming" something anyway, so I don't really think that's what Hannibal meant there. It probably was a literal interpretation (for once). What motel?? I don't remember Abigail ever being in a motel... But yeah, it was implied that Hannibal and Abigail spent more time together than what was shown. I haven't seen any of the deleted scenes, either...are any of them on YT, maybe? And do we have more bloopers than what we got in CC and the NBC Tumblr page?

Idk... It's an interesting thought, but do you mean she was bleeding in his house? xD Because the blood stain wouldn't really make me think she was there unless he found blood when he woke up. That's another thing that bugs me... Abigail was clearly NOT killed in Will's house! There was no evidence anywhere! Idk if they combed Will's land or pumped his stomach (they should have done the latter!), but if they did both, they wouldn't have found any evidence! Hannibal only planted the ear in Will's stomach, which makes no sense because a cannibal isn't just going to eat one body part and not finish the body. They make use of everything.

That's the problem with Hannibal's character...even the audience doesn't know when he's lying! :/ I could always tell with Hopkins' version, so that was nice. On one hand I like that subtle storytelling, because that makes the audience question what they're seeing. I mean, when I watched Hannibal look into the sink and see the ear, something about his face made me momentarily believe Will did it! I mean, deep-down I knew that was impossible since we SAW Hannibal with Abigail, but his face was so convincing! Bastard! x_X lol

I think it was important for Will to be close to Abigail at first, but perhaps the more worth Hannibal saw in Abigail, the more he wanted her for himself and didn't want the two to potentially turn against him.

I mentioned that before with the stag... I said how Hannibal felt connected to Abigail, so killing her was like killing a part of him (thanks to Mischa). Hence the collapse. But if Will were to have that dream later on after 1x9, I don't think it would have the same effect... Hannibal no longer seemed to hold Abigail in the same regard. I genuinely thought he was going to kill her in the that scene, so I have to wonder if we were supposed to feel that way as foreshadowing for 1x12.

I said their hug in 1x12 was weird, not the one in 1x9. The one in 1x9 seemed genuine, but the later one did not... His arms were at an odd angle, so it almost looked as if he were trying to hold her at a distance. Their last talk had been about betrayal, so it's not like he was going to be having warm and fuzzy feelings for her. He thought she was endangering his secret.

I've heard of Zero Hour, but I can't think of what it was... Guess it's obvious that I didn't watch it. lol

That looks like she's the star. :/ I mean, I guess it's possible for her to film that show and Hannibal, but she definitely couldn't be a series regular for both. Both shows film in the fall, so yeah.... Doesn't look good. They're both filmed in Canada, though, so Idk! Great, now I'm depressed...I don't think she's coming back anymore.

Persephone

Kendra Luehr

Ilda: Yay! Where are you listening to the commentary? Everyone keeps finding these extras, and I'm here in the dark cuz I don't have the DVD. xP Is it written down anywhere (the interviews)? I hope he talks about Will and Abigail at some point (OH! Maybe he talks during the dinner scene in 1x9??), because you girls have made me curious about what Abigail truly thinks of him. It's weird that she didn't seem more attached to him, because he's the one who freed her, not Hannibal. :/

Are there a lot of Portuguese tutorials? I've never seen any, but I guess that's because I'm not looking for one. I wish I could help, but it's very difficult to explain! I wish I could just teleport you here to show you! xP

Huh? No, I never read anything about Hannibal and Franklin...what does it say about them? Like I've mentioned, I never go looking for stuff anymore...I find out what's happening from you guys.

And yes! ^^ She's always telling me things about serial killers, and I love it (not to say I love serial killers, but it's fascinating ^^; ). She said she thinks Hannibal probably broke Abigail's neck, because he liked her and wouldn't want her in any pain. Of all the ways he could've killed her, that would be the fastest and least painful (though I think it would've been "nicer" if he made her OD on pills...that way she just would've fallen asleep). But I have to wonder...can you lose that much blood after you die??? Because once your heart stops pumping, you're not going to bleed all over the place. There was a HUGE pool of blood, so that suggests that Hannibal either slit her throat (which would be awful and inhumane!), or he cut off her ear while she was still alive (which would ALSO be inhumane). I really don't know what to think anymore!

LOL Very true.

Well I obviously didn't pay attention either, because I don't remember any of this! In 1x3 Will said to Alana that Hannibal took Abigail to a motel?? In 1x3 Abigail was still in the hospital recovering, so I'm confused! I don't remember her leaving to see Hannibal until the end, but...Idk! I guess they needed to put her someplace until they made the preparations on where to send her? Because I'm pretty sure that she was in a normal hospital, and then she was moved to a mental hospital. ...Or maybe not, because there was a really pretty garden room at that hospital like in 1x12. ARGH, I need to rewatch this!

Extras? You mean like deleted scenes?

BTW, i noticed that i haven´t reply to you about that tweet that i send it. But tbh, i was expecting your opinion about it because i got nothing

You sent a tweet? What did you want my opinion on? I'm sorry for being so slow this evening.

No, I'm pretty sure he cut off the ear at the Hobbs house. That would explain the pool of blood (unless he brutally killed her ), and, if we're going by a "she's alive" standpoint, it'd be smart to cut her ear off there since it'd suggest that Will killed her in the kitchen. You can't prove where the blood came from (though you CAN prove if it was arterial spray or a regular cut). It looked like she was lying on the floor (like in 1x1), because I didn't see any blood on the walls. If someone's throat is slit, their blood will shoot onto the walls... I didn't see anything like that in 1x13. And yes, I remember that. My mom mentioned something like that...she said it confused her that Hannibal ate the rude, because in some cultures, cannibals will eat their loved ones as a way to honor them. Hannibal only eats the rude... It's a form of self-preservation, so I don't think he ever ate anyone to honor them. If he randomly did it for Abigail, that'd change his MO and everything he does, but Idk! I guess there's a first time for everything. :/

I still can't get over the fact that Hannibal doesn't kill children... Yes, Abigail wasn't technically a child, but she was someone he once cared for! If he wants to protect children, why would he brutally kill someone so young, not to mention someone who reminded him of his sister? Even if he stopped seeing her as Mischa, I don't think book!Hannibal would kill Abigail. I understand that TV!Hannibal is different, but why the hell would he eat someone so similar to Mischa? He already

Ahhh, that'd definitely be a twist! Except I don't see how Abigail could've framed Will without Hannibal knowing... Especially since her blood was at the crime scene. If there wasn't blood in the Hobbs house, I might actually consider that being a possibility. I mean, I guess it's possible that Hannibal told Abigail to run (though I would think he'd go with her), and then she decided to cut off her ear while he wasn't there, but Idk. I think Hannibal's just a practiced killer, so he knows how to appear shocked or upset when he wants to.

I'm pretty much done hoping, I think... I'm just sad. *flops*

Persephone

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I use spoiler since this isn't precisely Will/Abigail related, more like Hannibal vs flesh and affection in response to what you wrote

Kendra Luehr

Ilda: So it only has commentary from the 1st and last episode so far? Ah, ok. I don't have a strong connection, so I can't listen to them. :/ I'd like to hear him talk about Kacey and the scene where Will comes in and saves Abby from GJH, just to see what his vision for that scene was. Because parts of it were kind of weird. Anyway, "Clarice" (I don't know her real name, so that's what I call her) said she thinks the show would've been more tragic and effective if all 13 episodes had been dedicated to the Hobbs case. After reading what she said, I kind of agree. It'd be cool if it spent the first 6 episodes from both Will and GJH's POV. That way we could actually bond with the characters better, because we could see GJH's motivations and how "sick" he was, as well as more development with Abigail and her turmoil for having to help her dad kill those girls. And then in either 1x6 or 1x7 Will would catch GJH, kill him, and rescue Abigail, and then the rest of the season could've been devoted to finding out the truth about Abby and other methods of the case. So if that had happened, I think Abigail's death would've been even more upsetting, and Idk...it could've been really good! I like the way S1 was set up, of course, but I definitely wouldn't be adverse to eps 1-13 being about GJH and Abigail.

I don't really like Fromage, either...I just thought it was kind of boring and weird. But Bryan's interview is further proof that what he says isn't reflective of what we see on the show, because I swear, Hannibal always looked really annoyed with Franklyn! I remember Franklyn blew his nose, and then Hannibal just looked really aggravated. He also didn't seem to like how Franklyn latched onto him, so I honestly expected him to die from the beginning since Hannibal didn't seem to like him. But now Bryan's saying he did?? I just don't see it!

Well, I feel like we're going to see Abigail die in S2 anyway, so I'd rather prepare myself than pretend it's not possible. I don't like imagining it, either -- I still can't watch the Hannibal/Abigail or veal scenes because of it! -- but I still like to speculate to see if I can somehow solve the mystery. Judging by the blood splatter, I feel that she had to be lying on the floor, because I don't think you can bleed like that standing up. I mean yeah, you can bleed heavily, but it'd get all over your clothes and there'd just be blood spots on the floor. It was one huge streak. That fanfic you sent me had him hit her head on the counter top, then she woke up without an ear in his basement. It's possible that he could've knocked her unconscious and taken the ear that way (cuz it'd explain why the streak looked like she was lying on the floor), but he also could've knocked her out to kill her, so Idk. :/

Why would that sound wrong? And I'm confused...is it 1x3 when Will says Hannibal took Abigail to a motel? Because I seriously don't remember any of this. I honestly don't think there are any clues to be found in the Hannibal/Abigail scenes, but I could be wrong... It's not like he ever implied he'd be taking care of her elsewhere, or anything, but Idk. I feel like the only foreshadowing we got was in Will's nightmares, and those all point to her being dead.

Ohh, that tweet... I really didn't understand it, personally. My friend thinks Bedelia might be a sociopath too, which would be interesting, but she interpreted their interactions differently than I did. I thought Bedelia was afraid of him (and so did my mom), but "Clarice" thinks Bedelia kind of condoned and supported Hannibal's work.

What do you mean by they only used a finger first? Oh! Are you saying that instead of an ear, at first it was a finger?? A tomato ear? o_O I didn't think it looked like a tomato, but it's definitely gross! You said "they"...who's talking on the commentary? I thought it was just Bryan? But yeah, it sure sounds that way. :/ This show is ruining my life! lol

Hannibal says he's not like Hobbs, but I still feel like they're similar... Maybe not in their methods, but in the way they manipulate. We obviously don't know

How would Alana know that Hannibal and Abigail have something in common? It's not like she knows about his hidden "activities," so what about him would make Alana think they could relate to one another? And was Alana saying that to Will? I honestly can't remember, but I vaguely recall her saying that... A part of me thought she might've even meant Will, because they were both there and share the same trauma. And since he can empathetically put himself in GJH's shoes, they also have that form of connection.

Idk anymore. Even if a killer likes someone, they'll never put that person above themselves. If he felt she was a liability, he'd have no choice. I mean, he was worried about Franklyn and Tobias spilling the beans, so he killed them...in 1x9 Hannibal was worried about Abigail telling Lounds everything too, so it just seems logical that he'd hurt her (especially if Hannibal actually liked Franklyn, like Bryan says -- still not seeing it! At least with Abigail, I could tell he liked her).

Ohhh. I haven't rewatched any of the Hannibal/Abigail scenes, so I obviously didn't remember that. Do you remember the exact wording of that? Or did he literally just say "If you ever need my help, all you have to do is ask?" Because the way he words it could be key. Abigail didn't ask for help at all during the season (to my knowledge), so it'd be interesting if when 1x12 ended she tried to cajole him into helping her leave. But if she's scared of dying, I don't see her first words being, "Help me escape!" rather than, "Please don't kill me!" It's just kind of an odd thing to say, especially since she seemed to believe he was going to kill her. She didn't look like she had any hope at that point.

I don't mind if Abigail pretends to be on Hannibal's side/evil just to trick him... It'd be nice to see her manipulating the abuser for a change instead of vise-versa.

This is making it really hard to be inspired... I'm feeling really lousy now, because my hope of her being alive is next to none. It's pathetic that I'm so emotionally invested in these characters, but it honestly affects my mood! I need therapy! I'll be teaching history tomorrow, and my students will be all o___O since I'm depressed. I don't let my feelings show, though...only my family can tell when I'm sad. To everyone else I appear normal or happy.

I've wanted to do art and finish that one-shot, but Idk when I'll be able to... SOMEBODY RESTORE MY FAITH. I actually felt really confident about her being alive a few days ago, ironically -- like, REALLY confident -- but now I don't feel confident at all. If Kacey wasn't starring in that new show, I might feel a little better, but it doesn't look good. When does that start, next year? I guess it's possible that she could be on Hannibal for a little while, then if she comes back and saves Will, she'd just end up moving to another state like Abigail did in the books. After Will saved her, she moved on with her life (though they stayed in touch). I wouldn't mind that. So even if she's not a series regular, it'd be nice to see Will pop in and visit her every now and then (or vise-versa). Of course, Caroline and Hettienne are series regulars, and they're hardly on the show, so maybe it IS possible for Kacey to be a regular? :/

I didn't re-post my fanfic over here, because I don't want anyone to read it. Btw, how's yours coming along?

Thanks for sending me the extras! I'm annoyed though, because my connection's really slow, so I can't watch them. Sometimes it's not so bad and I can watch YT vids, but not tonight. And I DEFINITELY can't watch the commentary (and probably not the 11 min vid), so maybe one day I will when I'm on a better connection.

Maggie: I never would've disputed that Hannibal would and could kill Will...I KNOW he would.

EDIT: I apologize if I sounded snappish or gruff in any of my commentary... I definitely didn't mean to, so I hope I didn't accidentally offend anyone. I've just had a really awful time IRL lately, and now having all of this fandom stuff about Abigail has sent me over the edge. I was ALREADY upset, so now I'm just really bad off... I know that's no excuse, so I'm sorry. *hugs*

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Not sure if you are apologizing with me? but if you are, don't worry .
I was talking about the part when he is in the plane, in the third book Hannibal, it mentions Hannibal is indifferent to children, I think it is when he is having nightmares and there's a kid who want to have some of his "special" food . And I guess I'm minority here but Fromage is one of my favorite episodes (along 1x13) and it's not just for the kiss! I actually love the interaction between Will and Hannibal, and Hannibal and Tobias and Franklin, and the fight!
edit* here I found that part

Kendra Luehr

Maggie: I was talking to everyone.

I actually didn't like the fight. ^^; I thought it was weird and over the top... I preferred seeing Hannibal as a silent killer and not being able to see his prowess up front. He seemed more frightening and dangerous by having the "hidden killer" in him, so when we saw that bizarre, all over the place fight, it kind of cheapened that for me. I haven't gotten a chance to read Hannibal Rising yet, but I do think he had some martial arts training at some point... It still seemed kind of weird, though.

Who said that?

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It is not a quote from a character, it's the narration /story telling, from Harris' book Hannibal. About the fight in 1x8,

Kendra Luehr

Maggie: I know psychopaths aren't the same as "normal" people, but I can't imagine looking at a little girl and not thinking of my sister in SOME way (especially since Bryan said Hannibal did this with Abigail). I have to wonder if Harris wrote it that way to show what a monster Hannibal truly is (since children are off-limits to a lot of people, including some killers), and he ironically used that very word to describe him. And he never planned on writing Hannibal Rising until he was forced into it, so if he'd known he had to write that book about Hannibal's past, I wonder if he would've changed that line.

Anyway, I think people have a hard time accepting the "monster" part of Hannibal because of Bryan's interviews. I've never seen him talk about the bad, horrible things he's done! He always seems to talk about how much Hannibal "loves" and has "genuine affection" for certain characters, yet he doesn't imply that despite this "love" and "affection," he'd have no problem killing them. I honestly think that's why newbies were shocked that Hannibal's a villain. :/ They should've done a better job with getting the "monster" message across. As a show I think they did pretty well with showing that, but the interviews contradicted that and confused people (myself included).

Anyway, Ilda showed me some of the DVD extras that had me thinking, but I'll address my thoughts later. I have to get ready for work. ^^

Persephone