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Kendra Luehr

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You can't tell the bottom one's a manip, but oh well. lol

I'd been wanting to reply here for the past two days, cuz guh, I could go on for days about fandoms and their bullsh&t (as you ladies already know). Slash is a trend, so I'm not even surprised it's in BrBa, too. The main difference (that I've noticed) is Hannigram is more popular because both men are conceived as being attractive. I don't think it's as balanced on BrBa, cuz I've never really seen many Walt fangirls. I'm sure there are some, but from what I've noticed, a great portion of slash is only shipped cuz EHRMAHGERD, BOTH ARE LIEK TOADALLY HAWT. It's annoying. Especially when the ships are horrible and abusive.

Anyway, I'd honestly be fine to coexist with Hannigram (honest!) if it weren't for the fact that the f&cking producer is the captain of the ship. The fact that the WRITERS glorify that abuse is what sickens me. I expect as much from fangirls, because...well...fangirls. lol But to have so-called intellectuals glorifying abuse really grinds my gears, and THAT is what turns me off from this fandom the most. Bryan once pointed out the abuse, but I think he was probably pressured into it, because normally he's like the fangirls and faps since OHMAHGAWD, they're super hawt together!

LOL I can't see Bethyl shippers being more unbearable than Hannigramers, but I don't delve into that fandom, so I guess I can't really judge. I've never shipped anyone from that show, tbh...I'm not really interested in the relationships.

I think the reason Joker x Harley is ok to most is because they make us laugh... If you Nolanized it, I think a lot more people would complain. I mean, people DO complain (I honestly don't like it since it reminds me of one of my good friends and her boyfriends), but at least there's enough light-heartedness that it's not completely awful.

Omfg, that picture...


Same. I'm tired of Bryan calling it "genuine love and affection," because that's bullsh&t. I mean, how f&cking INSULTING for him to say that when there are people out there trapped in relationships like that! Especially since that might confuse them and encourage them to STAY in said relationships since it's like, "Well, Bryan Fuller says my kind of relationship is genuine affection, so maybe I should give this guy a chance..." Seriously. It pisses me off.

LOL This fandom IS surprisingly dim. I've seen the worst commentary when searching my tags... Back when Murder Family was "in," I just wanted to tear my hair out. Like when I first thought Abigail died, I was really pissed by all the "Poor Hanni" sh&t filling up my dash. And it didn't get much better after the S2 finale, sad to say. I was making a gif for an RP last night (it involved Abby getting her throat slit), and since I had to watch bits of the finale again for making that gif, I got all sad and angsty, cuz screw that! I felt bad for Abigail all over again, and I hate what Bryan reduced her and everyone else to for the sake of Hannigram. Cuz seriously, what was her purpose? Cuz it just seemed to be to say "OH LOOK YOUR PRECIOUS MURDER HUSBANDS HAD A MURDER DAUGHTER TOGETHER," or some bullsh&t, because she didn't say ANYTHING other than "I didn't know what else to do, so I just did what he told me." THAT WAS IT. Omfg. DONE.

I was thinking, though... Do you think they'll have a trial when Hannibal's caught? Because if so, Abigail would be the best witness against getting his ass thrown in jail, and that'd be oh-so-delicious to see his precious Murder Family on the record calling him out for his bullsh&t. Man, I'd love to see that. But I'm not holding my breath...

I've noticed that about Abigail/Marissa. A lot of the Tumblr fics, especially, would have them either fool around or be in a legit relationship, and I don't understand that. I assumed it was cuz of everyone's obsession with gay sex, but Idk, cuz I never got the impression that Abigail preferred female companionship. Yes, she was "friends" with Alana and Freddie, but she was drawn more to Hannibal and Will (though the thing with Will's much more complicated, cuz she seemed resentful of him but also seemed hurt when he wouldn't visit her). But autistic???? What?? That's definitely a new one! Nothing about Abigail's behavior suggested she was autistic at all! I guess they went on trend cuz Will was allegedly autistic in S1, but then later proven not? Not everyone with a bad childhood/upbringing has a neurological disorder!

Anyway, I posted another chapter. It's Will's turn for sexual healing now, hurrhurr. Show Chapter | Archive of Our Own

Miss Graham

Ownn, It's a pretty art Kendra! I love the fact that even this is a "dream", Will still imagine Abby all sassy as she is.

Unfortunately, Bryan's not the only one. Most writers don't have a problem to support this kind of relationship. Regardless of being to please the fans or not, I think this attitude give the wrong message. You're practically saying abuse is right, being in a abusive relationship isn't wrong. Idk dude, I wonder if the writers and the fandom stop thinking to know how many men like Hannibal or Walt have in the world?! Or while tumblr users are making feminist speeches at the same time they are the same people who are supporting men like them? It doesn't matter if it's a fiction. On a way or another all the movies and shows symbolize our reality. I'd like people realize what kind of man they are supporting instead of making up excuses for their behavior. What kind of message they are giving for the victims. I'm sorry but I can't support a man who cut a throat of a young girl or play with people lives like it was nothing.

I honestly don't know. I hope so but I have doubts about it. Cuz I'm thinking all the events will happen very fast to me. People were saying Dolarhyde would appear about 8th episode. So I suppose by this time Hannibal will have been caught? Before sdcc we would know about what happened to Will and cia on the 2nd episode and now on the 4th and 1 year will have passed. IMO, next season will be a mess. But It would be amazing to see Abigail AND Miriam as witnesses. I'd like to see Abby all badass and says f#ck Hannibal but hey, young girls can't survive. It's wrong.

Idk if it's a obsession or if it's just a new trend just cuz being "revolutionary" is fashion now. Wtv this is, it's getting ridiculous. It's like being hetero is wrong now. The other day I say a girl on Abigail's tag commenting something like in her headcanon, Abigail was pansexual, she just couldn't be hetero. I mean, WTF?! Can she explain why not? Why being hetero is so wrong now?! I think ship M/M or F/F is pretty normal, regardless of the characters being or not gay. But force a sexuality only because is cool, a new trend, wtv, now it's wrong. Gay people aren't fighting for their rights every day to be cool, to be the new fashion, man. It's a serious question which it still has a huge prejudice. It's the same about autism. I find this so disrespectful, so disgusting to the people who has autism, to their family. It's not just in this fandom, people are saying for other character from other shows. Dude, it's a serious disorder, there's nothing cool in this, nothing to be happy about. I've already seen autistic people in my life and it's sad. You can see they are not saing that cuz of their childhood, it's just because it's cool. And even it wasn't, they're not doctors, so stop saying bull****s cuz no one knows what it is like.

Ohhh, me gusta this kind of therapy. I'll read now!

Kendra Luehr

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Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fq9AFZkx1A

I know you mentioned Abigail touching Will's hand, but it really looks like she is here: http://kissthemgoodbye.net/hannibal/..._display_media Is this the angle you were referring to? Cuz I thought you meant the aerial view...it really looks like it here, though.

Thanks! I moved them closer in the bottom pic, and I traded the images cuz the one of Abigail laughing actually has Will not smiling as much as in the one I chose, but you can't tell it's a manip since it's using the same scene. I've got another one queued to post at 4pm, so I'll post that one when it comes up. Haha, sassy!Abigail...I wish she'd had more of a chance to show that personality.

It's true. My last fandom, OUAT, had an extremely abusive ship, but it was masqueraded around as true love. It made me sick to my stomach and I hated it. Hannigram is no better, because Bryan's more or less called it true love too, and I've seen people make arts and icons that say "true love" and bullsh&t like that. I'm just...Idk. If I ship a flawed couple, I can ALWAYS tell there's something horribly wrong with them. Are people really that blind, or do they just not want to accept it for the sake of getting their kicks? And very true! I've always noticed how feminists will shriek and wage WWIII, but they never stop to ridicule the characters who're bringing said sexism/abuse. I mean, wth? So just because lots of women find Hannibal (or whoever) attractive, that makes it ok???? It's so backwards! I get that it's not as terrible as RL since it's fiction, but come on.

Ohhh, I didn't think of that. They wouldn't really need Abigail for a witness since they already have Miriam. Well, I'm back to having no sound backing behind reasons to think she survived. I never truly thought she was coming back anyway (especially since Bryan promised a "fierce Alana" -- to me that sounds like she's alive and not returning in a flashback), so Idk. It just sucks all around. Abigail wasn't a love interest -- she was just a pawn to play "happy house" with the Murder Husbands, so now that Will's going to get a stepson, she's suddenly expendable. I want her to have her own storyline, dammit! But yeah, I've heard that, too...it's extremely confusing and I'm not even sure what's going to happen anymore. I want to believe that S3 will be better (cuz seriously, how can it get any worse than S2? Wait...maybe I shouldn't have said that -.-), but Idk anymore. Let's just say that my expectations are so low that I can't get disappointed. :/

That's very true... A lot of young people are on board with the Civil Rights Movement for the LGBT, so I guess a lot of them are acting on that passion through the fictional world? Which is fine, but I don't like it when they attack heterosexuality. Like you said, it feels like M/F is "wrong" now, and I'm so sick of it. Bisexuality was a trend when I was in high school, cuz I remember straight girls would say they were bi to get popular. It made NO sense to me, whatsoever, especially since afterwards they'd magically become straight again. LOL, so they seriously said she "couldn't possibly be heterosexual"? Good question: WHY not? What about Abigail's body language/dialogue suggested she wasn't heterosexual?? Freddie claimed to be close to Abigail, but I didn't feel any great friendship between them. The only female remotely close to Abby was Marissa, and I really don't think there was anything going on. Idky best friends are always interpreted sexually in fiction. I mean, damn, I love my best friends -- like, REALLY love them -- but am I gay for them? Absolutely not! It just feels like they're cheapening everything by making EVERYONE gay. I get it if they have chemistry, but c'mon -- everyone doesn't HAVE to be pansexual, or whatever sexual.

I've fortunately never seen the autistic trend, but I do agree that it's very insensitive.

Haha, me gusta, too...hence my writing it. xD Lucky Will. lolol

Miss Graham

Awww, I loved you art! I'm emotional now! My babies, my bae!

It seems another view from the same scene or not? I'd have to rewatch to confirm, cuz I don't remember well.

Kendra Luehr

Thank you! I've loved that song ("Aubrey") for them for a long time now, and had plans to make a video before S2 ruined everything. I felt kind of bad for replacing Bev with Abigail (in the first pic) since I love her, too, but...Idk, it seemed to fit. I just love that lyric "And how I miss the girl. And I'd go a thousand times around the world just to say she had been mine for a day."

Yeah, it's from another view...the one where it shows them at a side view, almost like the camera's lying on the floor with them.

More emotional art. It kills me every time I see his hand weakly grasp at her arm. It's like he's trying so hard to give her comfort in what are more than likely her final moments, but he can't because he, too is on death's door Screw this writing, argh!

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it’s better that it’s just the two of us

Miss Graham

Ohh, I'll listen to this song then. I liked the quote.

I get it, another view to make me more emotional and mad. That pic makes me so sad.

LOL I loved the tags #don't touch me I know how u feel girl! Let me hug you!

Awww, I adore this scene so much. I remember that I screamed in this part. Smart girl! She can't be psychiatrist to understand him well.

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Kendra Luehr

I provided a link to the song beneath the pics, just in case you can't find it. I love a lot of songs by Bread (an old band from like the 70's). I used their song "It Don't Matter to Me" for a pic-set on Tumblr that was surprisingly popular. Guh, I saw smallestshrike's tags for my pics (the ones I just posted) and wanted to hug myself. x3 Daww.

LOL I loved that too, cuz I basically feel the same way! Dx

I loved that part, too. Of course, I was starved for pretty much any Will/Abigail contact in S1 (NOT ENOUGH), so I loved just about every moment, but I enjoyed that scene. ^^ She could definitely be a counselor, given her history and ability at reading people -- she wants to be one in YSIADICA (fanfic abbrev., sorry x3). :3

Speaking of fanfiction, wow. Just wow. Yesterday

Miss Graham

It's a beautiful song. I think I've never heard of this band but I enjoyed the melody. Smallestshrike's is so cuute! Have you seen a pic of her? I'm in love with her green (?) hair.

Don't complain about Will/Abigail contact in s1 cuz you know what we got in s2. I miss those old days. Ugh! I loved that scene cuz she's the first person who truly understand him. She isn't even a psychiatrist! She barely knew him and was able to read him so well. And he felt that too. When you look back you can understand why he wanted a connection with her. *all the feels*

Kendra Luehr

I heard it on the way home on my iPod and got all "gooey" with feels. Here's "It Don't Matter to Me":



I love that one too, because it's very fitting of them when it says:

There'll always be an open room waiting for you
An open heart waiting for you
[...] Your happiness is all I want
For you to find peace, your peace of mind

Uh-oh, I'm getting feels again...

I only know the band thanks to my dad. One day he sent me a link to one of their albums on YT and was all, "Here, listen," and I fell in love with a lot of the songs. They're a pretty good band! ^^ I used them three times for my fanmixes. One of them was for Will/Beverly, but it could work for Abigill, too:



I need to stop sharing this band, sorry. Another beautiful song by them is called "Diary," and it makes me sad for the guy since at the end he realizes the girl had been writing about being in love with another man. It's so pretty, though! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24IfD-0VUu4 Alright, THAT is the last song I'm sharing, I swear!

Nooo, I don't think I have! I think I might've seen a pic of her on her non-RP blog, but I don't remember her having green hair... I used to want to have blue and purple hair, but I never did. xP

Oh, I know -- looking back it was great, but I was still pouty since they ignored the Abigill relationship in favor of Hannigail. That's another reason the whole Mischa thing sucked, because they took away from the canon Abigill friendship. I wanted them to be friends like in the book, dammit! And if their hospital talk from the book was supposed to be the one in 1x12, I'll feel cheated. T_T They never truly got to discuss Hannibal or their vices, so I'd really like to see that someday. And if she's dead, maybe we could get them talking in a mind palace scene, though I highly doubt it. -.-

I always felt that way, cuz Will seemed drawn to her beyond the "blood bond" they shared in the kitchen. Speaking of blood bonds, Hannibal cut Will and Abigail with the same knife, so some of his blood was mixed with hers...I doubt that was intentionally symbolic, but it is to me. Owowow, my heart. I'm wondering if Will is going to be traumatized by this, because if she's his Mischa like Bryan said, and Mischa was the most traumatic point of Hannibal's life, I'm wondering how it's going to affect him. If Abigail's alive, it obviously won't be so bad, but if she's dead, I think it'd realistically have a devastating impact on his life. But since Bryan doesn't seem to want to dwell on anything other than Hannigram, Will might shed one tear, and then that'll be it.

I know that... :/ It sucks, and was especially bad during S1. The only good thing to come from the finale is people don't seem to ship/like the Murder Family as much anymore (and Will/Abigail fics with Abigill on their own are more common), so if the three of them are mentioned, it seems to be one-sided. The two that've popped up lately are Hannigram with Abigail tossed thoughtlessly in the middle as an afterthought. The bad thing about having a producer ship an abusive ship is definitely that everyone considers his bullsh&t canon, and that the ship's "ok" and "great" because he says so.

Forgot to mention, but I was looking through screen caps of 1x3, and the blocking seems symbolic in the antler room since Hannibal's lingering in the background, but he looks like he's physically between Will and Abigail. That was basically a precursor for everything in the future, because he was ALWAYS there. -.- I'm glad that changed in S2, but it was only by default since she wasn't even on screen most of the time. T_T I'm so not looking forward to her role in S3... I just know we won't have any scenes at all, and then our ship will die.

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Kendra Luehr

LOL Yeah, now that Hugh's aged, I wouldn't say he's a pretty boy like in his younger years (he looked a little TOO damn young, lol), which is good, cuz I feel like "pretty boys" are typecasted a lot (and it showed in his younger years, cuz ugh, he was in some horrible stuff lol). Oh, boy... I'm sure that interview with Mads inspired all the RPF Hugh/Mads fanfiction. I'd be afraid of confessing I find someone attractive, simply because fangirls take everything so damn literally. It's like nobody can say, "Yeah, my costar's hot" without people going, "I KNEW IT THEY WANNA BANG." lol

I've never been sure what Reddit even is... I've heard of it, but Idk what it's for.

Miss Graham

My thanks to your daddy then. I'll listen to them! And don't worry feel free to send their music. You should create an account on Spotify. There're lots of good playlists there. You'd like it.

It's beautiful. Though I don't courage enough to dye my hair as hers. But I love colorful hair. When I was a child I used to dye my hair with crepe paper.

Don't remember me that. What a waste dude! I could forgive Hannigail over Abigill scenes if I knew Bryan would make a great job with it. If I knew that comparison between Misha/Abigail meant something. Instead, he sacrificed everything and everyone cuz of his precious Hannigram. I still can't believe I have so high hopes for in the end I have to watch that bull****. It's not a surprise the fandom is fed up.

Was that the same knife? I feels so attached emotionally by that scene that I can't pay attention well. Tbh, I don't have any hopes that if Abigail is dead, Will is gonna be affected by her death. They barely talk about Bev and in the beginning it was like Abigail never existed. It's more likely Will weeps about his break up with Hannibal.

I think people still ship Murder Family hard. I lost the count how many times I read comments like " I don't believe Murder family was almost canon" and bla bla. And I'm all "Lord give me strength!" And Bryan's not exactly helpful. *headdesk forever*



What are you talking about? Is that scene when the blood fells on Abigail's face? I think the symbolic moment for Murder Family bull**** is already in their first scene. Trying to save Abigail and then in the hospital. It was a foreshadowing Hannibal would always be between them. I'm not excited to S3. So unless Abigail is alive, I know, I'll be meehhh.

Kendra Luehr

I get the best stuff from my parents. My mom's introduced me to great old shows, and my dad's shown me great old music. When I was little that was "uncool," but now that I'd old and uncool myself, I just don't care anymore.

Maybe once we get Hughes Net, cuz my internet just isn't good enough for things like Pandora or Spotify. :/ Idk if Hughes Net will improve our internet speed either, but it'd certainly be nice to d/l stuff from my own home!

LOL That's cute! xP I'd love to try that too (midlife crisis alert! ) but I have a professional job, and Idk... I see people with piercings and tattoos, but no wild hair, so Idk if that'd be frowned upon or not.

That's the funny thing... Cuz considering how rabid the Hannigram fans are, you'd think S2 would've been "ZOMG BEST EVAR" and really well-loved, but a lot of people are turned off by everything, and I think a lot of them are W/H fans. I remember people complaining that Hannigram should remain fanon, and I agree with them (they need to tone down the damn subtext and give us an actual gay couple (who's NOT involving Will or Hannibal) if that's what they want!). But since Bryan's so dense and stubborn, I don't think he'll realize (or care) that the blatant Hannigram, Bev's death, and the gratuitous sex scenes turned people off. I was excited for the finale at first, but nope...that ended pretty quickly, cuz the beginning of S2 was annoying to me. I felt like I was drowning in Hannigram and no one was tossing me a life vest. x3 I remember my mom was all excited and wanted to get my dad to watch with us, but I'm SO glad he didn't, cuz he wouldn't have liked it. He's one of those straight men who's uncomfortable with watching anything the slightest bit gay, so yeah...this wouldn't have been for him.

Yes, it was the same knife. He cut Will with a curved blade (perhaps a linoleum blade like in the book?) and he put the same one to Abigail's throat. It was bloody when he put the knife to her throat, so it was still covered in Will's blood. I have screen caps and stuff in case I want to use it for art, so yeah. :/

Ugh, I know. I was SO damn disappointed with that... They at least brought up Bev a couple times, but it was ridiculous how it didn't matter except to further Hannigram. And I remember seeing the promo pics of Will and Alana in a graveyard, and I thought, "Oh! Will's going to visit Bev's grave!", but nope, we didn't get that, either. I would've loved to have seen him go to her grave and apologize, or just do SOMETHING that makes him seem more than a one-track minded guy. -_- But you're right. What little they showed of Abigail, Will DID show emotion, but it pisses me off that they don't bother shaping him like a real human being. People don't just sporadically turn off and on like that, but with Will and Hannibal it's like they're constantly obsessed with each other, so I'm sure you're right. Will will probably cry to Molly (or whoever will listen) about his oh-so-great friendship with Hannibal, and how he's sad they can't be friends anymore, and boo-hoo-hoo. It makes me sick! I never felt any great friendship between them anyway (especially since I knew Will was getting played the whole time), so it's horse sh&t. And no one will EVER convince me that Hannibal would give two sh&ts about Will if it weren't for his mind, so this "true love" misconception is bullsh&t.

LOL at that gif! I've fortunately only seen a couple infuriating things, and that was by accident... It was some stupid Hannigram comic where they were saying (to Abigail), "We'd better go before the police come," or some bullsh&t like that, and THEY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER NOT. I think it's so stupid that people actually believed Will would've willingly gone ANYWHERE with Hannibal and Abigail. With Abigail, sure, but Hannibal? Never. They seem to be forgetting that Will was doing all this to throw Hannibal in jail. I know they wanted us to get confused and wonder whose side he was truly on, but I never doubted he was on Jack's...though I really hate that "You were supposed to leave" line, because people misconstrued it as sympathy for Hannibal and regret. Anyway, I haven't seen any MF stuff in my tags or AO3, really, which is nice since last year it was EVERYWHERE. -.- That's why I think it's not as popular, cuz I don't really see anything for it (I hope I didn't just jinx myself ). I just don't get how anyone could love that dynamic or ship it or have feels (seriously, someone posted MY MURDER FAMILY FEELS!!! ) after that horrific scene. It was disgusting. Fangirls have some serious problems. -_-

Yeah, that's the scene. And I know, it's been that way ever since the pilot, but it kept going in the blocking throughout the season (most notably the first few eps). I agree. If it's just Hannigail and Abigail dead, no thank you. Cuz if she's dead, she obviously can't have any flashbacks with Will (unless it's more of Will's wishful thinking/dreaming about them together), but I feel like all Bryan wants to do is explore the past. Hannibal will probably talk with Abigail about Will (since he seems to talk about NO ONE ELSE, OMG), but it won't be the same cuz that'll just fuel the MF bullsh&t.

Hot British daddy? xD I know you didn't mean it in a kinky way, but it just made me laugh. I'm unaware of the fandom's need to make him a pretty boy/"babyish," but I know they were obsessed with making him a submissive twit. He was submissive for EVERYONE. I even saw him as a sub with Alana once, which made me laugh, cuz Idk...he wasn't the sub in their kiss scene, if y'know what I mean. Of course, in that fic he was being dominated by her AND Bev (I didn't read it, I just saw the fic description), and it's just like....poor Will. Nobody ever writes him as a dom. lol I'm sure that changed since he got a darker streak this season, but I haven't seen too much dom!Will stuff like...ever. xP

I'd forgotten about how Abigail understood Will in the beginning (as in, it wasn't really on my mind), but that ironically came up in my fic. Good going, me. xDD Unintentional emotional development, ftw! I know there are going to be 23 chapters now, so I'm so glad it's almost done. But I saw that other BS fanfic has 15, so I have to put up with seeing that in my feed 14 more times. But I've removed Hannigram from my search list on AO3, so atm it's gone and I can pretend it doesn't exist. lol