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Episode Discussion Thread: Ep. 2.10 "Unhappy Holidays"
Unhappy Holidays Horrified to discover that Ephram and Madison are involved, Andy stops short of firing her, but Madison decides to quit, leaving the Browns to a very unhappy holiday, especially when Delia discovers another troubling relationship - between her father and Linda. Stressed by Thanksgiving with his cantankerous mother-in-law, Dr. Abbott reacts badly when Amy brings Tommy to Thanksgiving dinner. Finally pushed to the breaking point, Amy runs away from home. IMDb Link |
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Andy overhearing E/M together and listening to Ephram bad mouth him was so CRINGEY!
Andy reacted how he should have but him not firing Madison was a bit unrealistic imo. Had Madison been a guy and Ephram his daughter, I cant imagine he would let Madison anywhere near his kid. Ephram is being super selfish and annoying not understanding why Andy is so upset. And then going to Madisons and them both sneaking behind his back again? Really? And then Andy at the end saying he was going to let Ephram date Madison? WTF?! What kind of parent is that? He gives into Ephram too easy sometimes. Amy inviting a boy she just met to family dinner is so annoying! I would tell him to leave if I were Amy's family... But Harold's questions were awful! He IMO was almost bullying a 17 year old kid about his family life. And what did Amy expect inviting him over? Didn't she know her family would react this way? Harold needs to get a grip though, the way he is speaking to Amy when shes going through this depressive stage is just not helping things at all. i understand the concept of "tough love" but its obvious shes depressed and sad and lonely, not just acting out like a normal teenager! And I think he needs to speak to her with more care and patience. I did like seeing Harold and Andy bond. And Rose telling off her mom was amazing! |
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When I first watched the series I didn't mind Ephram and Madison together...especially when I realized it wasn't the end game. But..in hindsight after seeing what devastation this relationship gave to the family...I am against these two. Quote:
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Ephram acted way more immature over this situation in season two compared to what he did throughout all of season one. I absolutely hated to see him essentially regress. Really sad. He reminded me of a little boy on the floor pounding his fists upset over not getting that candy bar. That is how he reacted to his father who was older and wiser when he practically begged him not to go ahead with this ridiculous relationship with Madison. If Madison wasn't going to do the right thing, I think Andy should have dug his feet in even further and said absolutely not. But I think he was scared that all of the progress he made with Ephram in season one would fly out the window. I think Ephram knew this too and used it against him. Quote:
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I have to chalk it up to Andy just wanting to keep the peace with son. Which is really not good parenting. I know that Ephram doesnt bode well with harsh Andy, but so what? You dont have to be friends with your kids, you need to set ground rules. And he's letting Ephram walk all over him. Andy's APPROACH with Ephram in the past has been wrong. He needs to actually sit Ephram down and talk to him like a human. But perhaps if he did that Ephram would be more understanding and willing to listen. And the saddest thing in it all is that Andy never even had a conversation with Madison and Ephram about sex. If he's gonna allow it to continue (or even if he's not) he should still speak to them about making sure Madison is on birth control and also that Ephram be safe if he plans to have sex. Maybe had he had that conversation with them the pregnancy wouldn't have happened. Quote:
I'm surprised that Ephram acted the way he did. I'm surprised he didnt understand WHY Andy was so upset and act more sheepish in the entire situation. He could have still gone to Madison and said he wanted to keep seeing her, I felt that would have been in character for a 16 year old, but to stand up to his father the way he did was really irritating. Come on Ephram, you know you are wrong. And who are you to demand that relationship? Like, take some seats child. Quote:
I think you are right about Amy I think she was just trying to lash out and get a reaction. It's probably whys started dating Tommy to begin with, actually. It's sad how Harold is acting. You would think he would be more mature and understanding over the situation but I will presume that Harold was just really upset about Amy's mental state and he was hoping that being hard on her would knock it out of her like maybe it had in the past. Last edited by Alexa; 03-31-2017 at 10:32 PM |
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Wow, your posts are so brilliant Alexa. I really need to immerse myself in these episodes again and start posting on these threads. Keep in mind though that Madison is my favorite character, as Michelle can attest to through our many discussions about her, so I'll be disagreeing with you if you put her down!
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Honestly, when I watch parts of season 2 (and the random mentions/episodes she's in in seasons 3/4) I do get in a bad mood. I don't think people who are either indifferent to her or even like her realize how much we hate Madison. |
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Michelle and Jerry you are too nice to me thank you I really enjoy rewatching these episodes because I dont remember a lot of the details. The first time I watched the series I kinda just half paid attention and it was mostly only holding the majority of my interest because of the ephram/amy storyline. But this time through I am really connecting more to the writing and the plot and paying more attention to everything, so its fun to write out my thoughts as if it were the first time I was watching!
Thank God you don't ACTUALLY love Madison or I would have been a bit worried. I really don't hate her, I just hate the storyline and what she's doing. I actually liked her the first go around because like I said, I found the storyline sort of "exciting" but this time, nopeeeee. |
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