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Ooh, a new episode for Kris, and Louisa in the rewatch. Awesome! And we've definitely all been there, Louisa, in losing a long post. It sucks! I would always copy and paste them somewhere else before you hit send just in case.
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I think Ephram was bullied back in his New York school. He makes a comment to Amy in the Pilot, I believe, about spending a lot of time being stuffed in a locker, which to me suggests he was. I figured he'd used sarcasm at the beginning of the experience, but then, as it got worse/more physical, he tried to defend himself & it backfired by him getting into trouble. I can see him not wanting to talk about it or being too embarrassed to (Ã* la "The Great Dr Brown's kid is anything but great...Oh super, that's going to go down really well at home!"). I can imagine him being quite sarcastic at school too, especially during a subject/class he didn't like/thought was useless, like Maths or something, in the vein of "But Sir/Miss, why are we doing calculus/trig if we don't want to become architects/engineers/scary mathsy people?" and the teacher not responding terribly well to comments of that ilk.
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That's a good point, Louisa, about Ephram mentioning being bullied and being stuck in lockers. It just doesn't seem to fit with him having a bunch of friends from New York later on in the season (like when he was trying to go live in with his grandparents, and all of these people call him), or his possible date with Gwen Stefani/Katherine Adams. I always got the sense that he was cooler in New York, and definitely not the complete outcast he was in Everwood in S1, I guess that doesn't mean that he can't be bulled too, even while being a little more accepted than he originally was in County High.
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I'm sliding in here very quickly to say that this is one of my all time favorite episodes of the series. I have commented on this episode throughout the years 300303 times, writing long, book-like posts. Instead of going there again I will say very briefly that this episode, to me, was entirely guided by Ephram/Amy and what was going on between them. Whether you are a huge Ephram/Amy fan or just a fan of the show, I don't think it can be denied that something quite significant took place between them in this episode that set the stage for what defined Ephram/Amy and how Ephram/Amy were going to function as a whole for the rest of the series. The selfless love Ephram had telling Amy to go back to Colin, Amy trying to resist but knowing Ephram was right, the struggle they had because all they wanted to do was land in each others arms, along with seeing the intense emotional connection they had together was something remarkable to witness. If Ephram/Amy was not demonstrating the perfect kind of true love you have for someone I don't know what else could beat it. The emotional connection displayed between the two of them was off the charts fantastic and very revealing as it showcased what Ephram/Amy meant to each other. For me, even if I knew Amy had to go back to Colin, there was no doubt in my mind Ephram/Amy were right for each other, their love was pure, without question, and the emotional connection they had was going to guide them through the rough times ahead... but in the end they would end up together.
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That's exactly how I felt, Michelle, Amy and Ephram had a definite connection from the first moment they met. Even through the times that Amy was very questionable in her behavior toward Ephram and the times that Ephram treated Amy terribly..I knew that these two were destined to and meant to be together.
I'm sure that's why I resented Colin so much. He was in the way..as far as I was concerned. I had more difficulty than most in cutting him some slack. I honestly wanted him to disappear. |
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Yeah, I agree, Michelle. That was THE pivotal moment for Ephram and Amy in S1. It's the first time since Colin came back (well, it's the first episode since he came back to town, heh, but that says something too) that it's clear that Amy would rather be with Ephram. That changes a few episodes later, but it's clear that she's going to have those same feelings again sooner or later, and that her and Ephram were it. I think Ephram knows it too, in a way. While he's pained that he's telling Amy to go to Colin, he also has a kind of confidence to him. A swagger. Let's face it: Ephram is frickin' cool in this scene! And it's because it's the first real scene that he's the confident one in the relationship, and he has the upper hand, and he knows what to do, and he's saying the right things, and all Amy can do is kind of look at him while he walks away and think about how cool this guy is. She's always thought he was different, interesting and far away from what she expected out of a guy (which is thrilling), but I'm not sure if she ever thought of him as cool before this scene. Look at her look on her face while he walks away. He's got her right in the palm of his hand at that point! Ephram rules here.
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Seriously... I know there has been debate over Colin and what defined him as a character, the role he played... I think it mostly can be agreed upon that Colin pushed forward the Ephram/Amy story. He helped Amy grow as a person, too. The controversy lies in whether or not if you were an Ephram/Amy fan you should have resented his presence or not... meaning, how did Berlanti want us to truly feel about Colin and Amy/Colin for that matter? A cute little story or one that made us see how flawed Colin was, how flawed and wrong for each other, accident or no accident, Amy/Colin were for each other... or something else? It's obvious there is probably not a proper answer because we all have differing opinions on the matter whether you liked or disliked Ephram/Amy or Ephram and Amy individually. Maybe Berlanti had something in mind and I would love to know his thoughts but I think it's safe to say that since we don't know his thoughts there can be no legitimate answer to this, just varying opinions. Having said that... I remember thinking about how I felt badly for Colin being in the situation he was in yet I knew that fate and meant to be were all about Ephram/Amy but I wanted them together and it pained me a bit to see how they had to separate because Amy had to be there for Colin. That feeling got even more intense whenever finding out through Laynie that Colin was breaking up with Amy anyway before the accident took place. At the same time I knew Ephram/Amy were destined to be together so Colin, an earthquake, or anyone or anything else was not going to stop their written in the stars romantic relationship. As a result, Colin turned out being more of an annoyance to me, but not one that I thought was devastating or ever threatening to the Ephram/Amy relationship. Now, the treatment he gave Ephram was another story all together. I didn't like seeing Colin treat Ephram so poorly during that certain time period and that was more than an annoyance for me. I hated it. Quote:
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Yeah, it was bad and sad as well. But in the end they found to each other and that's what counts.
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I was estatic when Ephram just came out with it and told her he loved her. When it was ending and Ephram was going to some concert with another girl, it all just flew out the window (so to speak) when he saw Amy. Amy was, IMO, always his world, no matter what Madison or whatever girl came into his life. Amy was the end results
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