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But, yeah, that's a good question too, if Ephram would have missed Everwood, missed his family maybe. I've always wondered that myself, actually. Would he have really left forever? I don't even know the answer to that one! Quote:
Huh. Never thought of that before. I think she would have told him, yes. I think she wanted to. Plus, she did want Andy to perform the surgery, so she would have had to tell him to get his dad to do it. But I think she would have liked doing it in a very different way. On her own terms, without hurting Ephram's feelings. __________________
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If Bright didn't try to get Ephram away from Amy in the first few episodes, do you think Amy would have told Ephram about Colin on her own? With Bright getting in the way, it seemed she was forced to tell Ephram the truth since Bright constantly called her out on it in front of everyone.
Great question, Patricia!! I agree with 'Tos. She didn't want to tell Ephram right away...she was kind of playing him...using him (not thinking that she might become interested in him)...she would have had to tell him about Colin eventually so that he would get the surgery. Of course, Bright's actions forced the issue and sped up the process. |
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I guess I'll answer my own question
I think it would have been a lot better for Colin's news to come from Amy. Since she was the bold one to ask Ephram to talk to Andy about performing the surgery. But she couldn't tell him that she was his girlfriend, even though Colin had been in Denver for months. I think, from the beginning of Ephram being at County High, Amy knew there was something there. Plus, a small town, new kid in school...it's intriguing. She knew he was a good guy and because Colin wasn't there, she allowed herself to let him in. But it wasn't fair, not to Ephram nor to Amy to allow this to happen. She played everyone, including herself and Ephram just tagged along like a lost puppy dog. But all in all, I think Amy liked the idea of Ephram being there. You know, him being the only one to show up for Colin's surgery, the first one. Out of everyone Amy's met in he entire life, everyone who supposedly loved Colin Hart. And telling Ephram about Colin from day one would put a big difference between them. He wouldn't be so giving to Amy. He would've backed off. But Amy, I beleive, wanted to be Ephram's girlfriend, but was so devoted to being the girlfriend of the great Colin Hart, she couldn't. She, for a while, had the best of both worlds. __________________
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Because we see in those early episodes, "Deer God" or the episode where Ephram leaves Amy crying in the library, that Ephram doesn't feel good about lying to Amy. I think Amy feels the same way with her situation. I really think so. But do we see it in the same way? Or is it maybe an unfair comparison because Ephram doesn't have someone he needs to get Amy to save? *rubs chin* __________________
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I went a bit OT, sorry about that. My Amy love tends to do that to me and that has never changed for years, heh. |
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I agree with that pretty much 100%, Michelle. I think they explained most of Amy's flaws quite well. Plus, Ephram and Andy were incredibly flawed too. That's the fun, I think. They all needed to start off as very flawed to get to a place later in the seasons where they would be growing and changing some of those flaws. And I think we saw that with Amy, whether it be her relationship with Harold in the later seasons, or Hannah, or Ephram. There were marked differences from how she interacted or would interact with those characters from S1 to after S2.
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It's just interesting that we actually directly saw Ephram feel bad more often, even though we all knew Amy did. And Emily did a good job with a small look here or there right after she would do something mean to Ephram that she regretted it. Nice acting job. __________________
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And, really, how was she supposed to live with herself if she had decided that she liked Ephram too much to ruin their friendship/relationship and just let Colin continue to lay there without ever broaching the topic with Ephram or Andy? The Harts would have eventually pulled the plug, and then Amy would have to deal with knowing that there might have been a real chance that something could have been done to save Colin's life but she just...kept her mouth shut because she had a crush on someone else. That's a heavy burden to lay on someone. __________________
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I just can't see how Amy doing what she did and not realizing that her thing with Ephram would get a lot more complicated once Colin woke up. __________________
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Ephram playing the piano at the beginning was really cool. Seeing the flashbacks with Ephram and his mom were really sweet. And you can completely get why Ephram had so much anger with his dad. His mom was always there for him when Andy bailed so when she died, ugh, that was probably so rough. Watching his mom help him out with the "Gwen Stefani" girl was really cute. It was so hard watching Ephram tell his mom to leave Andy. I can see why he wanted her to! And even though its horribly sad that she died, in a way it was the best thing for Andy to realize that he had to be a better father to his kids. Finding out that his mother was the one that had the affair, not Andy definitely put things in perspective and made you sympathize with Andy a bit more, understanding why he had to leave but also getting why the affair happened to begin with. Colin getting mad at Amy was really annoying because really dude, you want to ignore your issues and pretend like you aren't sick? I realize he's scared to discover that he's still having issues but its better to know as early as possible. His parents dismissing Andy as their doctor was so rude too, like come on, take him seriously. So frustrating. Amy's outburst at her dad after that was totally uncool. But, its obvious everyone is just scared about Colin. This was a great episode, so much going on and so hearty and emotional. |
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The affair, flashbacks, Ephram/Andy interaction (and ultimate understanding) was so well done. Treat and Greg just lit it up. I feel for Amy so much. Colin's fears are understandable but it's a hell on earth for Amy and everyone around him. His parents are complete jerks too. Denial makes sense but you need to put your son first and make sure he's receiving ever ounce of follow up care possible. But yes, this episode was so good. |
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