stlavin95

Definitely is

jediwands

I would assume it's a top tourist destination in Australia?

stlavin95

Na, that's Sydney or Melbourne

everwoodfan52

jediwands

^^^

Got it.

secretk

It is also a bit sad. It tells you that for the most part her manipulation did work on people. Can you imagine how many people she had lied to and manipulated through her life and maybe even hurt?

Then of course most probably she also knew how to choose her toys (read victims) wisely. She had no option to chose when it came to Martinez and Flores.

Yes and it seems that Dan gave her the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. As he was about to take the stand he did not watch the trial before and did not know her strategy. He says that he realized during the questioning that the defense is trying to paint Travis as a bad guy. He says that he welcomed then Martinez questions and was happy to say the truth no matter if he was defense or prosecution witness. His sister was definitely more on Jodi's side while Dan seemed to kind of side in the end with Travis. He definitely did not help the defense case despite being their witness. And with his testimony he also discredited his sister's words. So in the end there was no gain for the defense.

So so true!

jediwands

Absolutely. I thought it was telling when Flores tells her that her parents weren't surprised she was arrested and charged with First Degree Murder. They weren't. That says it all. 95% of the time even if parents deep down understand their children are not squeaky clean... they would still be beyond shocked to find out something this horrific. Her parents were not shocked. Her dad did say on tape he couldn't believe she did this but that might have been him in shock and denial. Overall, her parents were not surprised at all and Flores said as much.

Very true. I read that she is manipulating the prison guards and getting her way even behind bars.

The Freeman's were certainly put in a difficult situation. Jodi was basically a part of their family. She'd go there for meals, she even helped their foster siblings with art and photography stuff. She certainly played the part of the caring sister around their family. I guess they were just way too close to the situation. Yes, Dan definitely helped the prosecution though. The sister didn't really hurt the prosecution but she didn't help that much.

secretk

I found that her mother acted rather odd in the trial. I get that it is never easy to be the mother of a murderer but I found her laughing with her sister during trial a bit tasteless. This was a murder case trial. A man was brutally murdered. Her daughter was facing death penalty. I found her attitude totally out of place and weird.

I am pretty sure that she does that. This is why I said that I won't be surprised if she starts using sex to manipulate women in jail as well. That girl is adaptive. That is for sure. She tries and tries and tries. It's clear that she rarely got NO for an answer.

Definitely but then again Dan was Travis friend first and he knew Travis before Jodi. Nevertheless they were actually subpoenaed by the defense. The sister did not help defense or hurt prosecution. Dan however did help. He even says that he saw Martinez smiling and he knew that Martinez had an idea how to use his testimony against Jodi and Dan welcomed it. So he must have realized while on the stand what was going on. Quite perceptive and smart guy. That's for sure.

jediwands

It was like social hour. Very strange.

She thinks she's smarter than everyone.

He was friends with Travis first. He even he admitted though that Travis rubbed him the wrong way initially due to his arrogance. So I don't think they were best, best friends but they were friends. Close enough for Dan to feel pain over the loss.

secretk

Exactly! I found it so bizarre and weird. I understand that for a mother it's really difficult to hate your own child or to have to see how cruel your own child is. And I am not saying that she should have said that Jodi deserves the death penalty, but the Ariases should have shown some humility and respect to Travis and his family. Their own blood butchered Travis. And they acted like they are just curious peeps watching a trial of someone they don't even know.

She wishes that she is smarter than everyone else .

To be honest I could see Travis being a bit arrogant. He is a Leo so I do see that side of him. And I am not saying that Travis was a saint but no one is nowadays. And no matter what kind of shortcomings he had, nothing justified what Jodi did.

There is a reason why not a lot of people wanted willingly to testify for Jodi. No one wanted to be associated with that cruel murderer. No one believed her and her story. No one felt that she was right in her actions. Including her own family that I do not think testified on her behalf.

jediwands

So true. Her aunt was wearing headphones too which demonstrated how out of touch and in her own world she truly was.



I have a feeling I would have found Travis very arrogant and showy. You could tell he had high energy, always had to be the center of attention, highly extroverted, and yes, very cocky. I don't care for those traits. Of course what happened to him was evil and he didn't deserve it.

Absolutely!!!!!

secretk

I have to wonder if Jodi's issues were not in her DNA and whether her family has some of this as well. I don't know them, but their attitude during the trial was weird. It was not just Jodi that did not show emotions. Her mother and her aunt acted the same way.

I agree that Travis looked to be highly extroverted sort of guy who loved the attention . It's true that this is something you and I would not like very much, but this does not make him bad person. It makes him not the person we would like to hang around with but definitely not evil person.

On the other hand though he also seemed to be really noble and helpful guy. I could buy this because Leos (despite being arrogant) like to help people. It was not all black and white. He had his strength and his weaknesses like any normal person out there. This is not a crime. Killing him the way he was killed was a horrific crime.

I could only hope that he rests in piece and that Jodi sooner or later will get her due as well.

jediwands

Very possible. Her one sister had issues with substance abuse and she was involved in abusive relationships in the past too. There has to be something there with the environment and genetics.

Everyone seemed to love him. He had his faults... he seemed to make fun of other Christians who were not Mormons, he also went above and beyond sexual stuff... like, some of the things he wrote to her were disgusting if we want to be honest. It was weird and over the top, not typical things guys say to women sexually... tying her to a tree outside and anally having sex with her, her basically being his sex slave. Some of that stuff was weird and beyond the norm.

All that said, what happened to him is unthinkable. He didn't deserve it. I wish Jodi could have been stopped before she turned into a murderous sociopath. I think about if a friend stopped by that afternoon/early evening, a phone call, something, that could have prevented Jodi from starting the murder.

Agreed.

secretk

Yeah. Not that this excuses her behavior, but her whole family is weird.

I think that the religion was his savior from the abuse he endured as a child. I think that he was weak when it comes to his mind. He needed something to hold on and he found it in religion. The fact that he was making fun of other Christians only proves this even further. He had idolized the Mormon faith in his mind. It was the best thing that ever happened to him. The thing that saved him. He had however issues following the faith and he most probably had huge internal conflict which is why he needed to remind himself so much that the Mormon faith is the answer to his issues.

He had perverted mind and he definitely was aroused by thinking rather disgusting stuff but that's not always a proof that he would do it. Some people love to fantasize about stuff like that but they don't do them. There are people and people. Some people are a lot more sexually active and have quite wild imagination when it comes to stuff like that. Was he over the top with Jodi? He was. Is that a crime? No. And he was not like with that other women which tells me that part of this was Jodi encouraging him to go there and basically exploiting this side of him.

And some of the things he told to her was a reaction to things she had done to him. I am not saying that he is perfect, but I also don't think that we could now judge him based on what is shown because we had not heard his part of the story. Truth be told his friends loved him. Based on the videos I have seen of him I do sense his good energy. I am not saying that he was not arrogant, but I am not sensing bad vibe of him. I am sensing good person that wanted to help people and treat them nicely as long as they do not cross any boundaries.

For some reason this was not meant to be. It is sad because he had a tragic childhood, he managed to pull himself away from it and then Jodi put an end to this. Jodi used his weakness. I am sure that deep down Travis did have a bit of this victim mentality. Victims of abuse quite often carry around this with them. She used this for sure.

jediwands

Going to start a new thread!