Agreed. I liked him in Party of Five but not Everwood. He just didn’t fit in and like you said so perfectly, Jake was a totally unnecessary character. I am sure they wanted Nina to date others. The poor woman had a horrible cheating husband. They wanted her to date others before ending up with Andy which is understandable. But we could’ve seen little brief relationships or her casually dating. We didn’t need to see this long, drawn out relationship that no one believed was lasting anyway.

:lol: I loved that SO MUCH too. It was like that classic drive-in movie theater scene between Ephram and Amy when they’re both stressing about when they’ll sleep together. LOL. Emily was so good there too! I also love the shot at Madison during that scene with Amy mentioning she’d never have sex with Ephram/their first time/her first time in a car. :D

But yes, jealous Amy was the best because Emily and those acting chops of hers = pure brilliance.

I also liked him in Party of Five but not Everwood. He was just a waste of screen time.

That was a great scene too!

Exactly! I loved jealous Amy!

I tried to find that scene on YouTube and I ended up re-watching the Ferris Wheel scene and as always, I cried. I remember when I saw that scene the first time and Amy was pouring her heart out to Ephram and he kept saying "Amy" I had a fear that he was going to reject her, but then when he kissed her and he told her that he loved her too all my fears went away. :love:

As we've said before, in some ways it was a blessing in disguise that Everwood was cancelled because if it wasn't, we wouldn't have gotten that beautiful scene and we would have had that awful Madison cliffhanger ending instead.

Love that scene. :love:

Agreed. Even if we are to believe Berlanti and those storylines wouldn’t linger (but how does Nina pregnant with Jake’s baby not linger? :confused: ) we still would be taking a chance on Season 5 really going away from the Everwood flavor. I couldn’t imagine having to see Amy standing out there next to that Ferris Wheel alone while lame Madison is getting Ephram’s attention on the phone. It would have been horrible. We also could have seen Ephram take some steps back again having to revisit the adoption/baby situation. It would remind him of everyone knowing but him and how it made him feel. No good could come to this storyline. Plus, Ephram and Hannah? Hard pass.

:love: I start crying every time I see it. Emily and Greg hit that scene out of the ballpark. :love:

It really would have been horrible. I'm so glad that we didn't have to see that happen.

Yes, if Ephram had somehow gotten together with Hannah romantically, that would have destroyed all the core relationships on the show (Ephram and Amy's romantic relationship, Amy and Hannah's friendship, and Ephram and Bright's friendship) and the show would never have been the same. I hope that rumor wasn't true, and of course this is all conjecture because the show was cancelled.

According to Berlanti’s own words in an interview he was going there but it would have been very short, like one episode and done. That’s what he inferred. It would have been terrible. Plus, entirely bizarre. What was 3.3 for? In addition to 3.3 giving us the famous ILY Ephramy couch scene, we saw both Ephram and Hannah state they didn’t like each other in that way with Hannah clearly explaining Ephram was not her type. It was ridiculous enough Hannah and Bright got together in the first place, but to ignore what was stated by Ephram and Hannah, then show us even a second of Ephram/Hannah? No way. I know people can change their minds and the unexpected happens but this would have been so outlandish. We would have entered Dawson’s Creek and One Tree Hill territory, too. Everwood would have lost its spark.

Thanks for doing this, Jerry!!

There's lines that people shouldn't cross, and that's a line the writers and producers should definitely not have crossed. I'm so glad that we didn't get to see all that.

The CW is a crap network. There was a show called Life Unexpected that was really good in its first season, where a girl who was given up for adoption at birth seeks out her parents, but in the second season, the Network Executives at The C.W. demanded more sensationalistic storylines and so they had the girl have an affair with one of her teachers, and they had the husband of the mother get someone else pregnant, and the show went down the tubes.

So like we've said many times, it was a blessing in disguise that the show was cancelled, because it was too good for the C.W. (Completely Worthless, trademark Michelle) Network.

:nod: Exactly.

Everything would have changed if Hannah and Ephram went there. I can’t see Amy ever looking at Hannah the same and there isn’t a scenario where Bright ever forgives Ephram. In fact, Ephram might need to wear protective gear since I believe Bright would physically harm him. Bright cheated on Hannah but he’d see Ephram moving in as a betrayal, maybe even a bigger betrayal.

I remember hearing about that series and the good reviews. Of course the CW destroyed all of its quality. Everwood had too much quality which is why the network passed on it even though Everwood also had better ratings than most (maybe all) shows that made the merger. Quality and Ratings didn't matter to this network. Soap opera crap was their obsession.

The network changed as years moved along. Ratings matter and they care a little more about quality. The Flash is their highest rated show on the network and critically acclaimed. The network is already making it obvious it wants to hang on for dear life as a result. But during the merger time period, the network cared about anything but quality and ratings. It was about flavor and a specific target audience.

You're welcome Betty. :)

So back to speculation where we ignore the storylines that we wouldn't have wanted to see! :lol:

I would have liked to have seen Ephram finish college and become a music teacher, maybe at the College Level, concentrating on the piano and giving lessons to students like Kyle on the side. We had seen that he didn't want the life of a professional concert pianist where he would be constantly away from home and basically have no home life and no family, as we saw how important family was to him.

I would have liked to have seen Amy start to concentrate on a major in College and like others said become a doctor like her father but have an interest in town politics like her mother.

I would have liked to have seen Bright become a Football Coach and a Gym Teacher at the High School as he was athletically gifted and I feel that he'd do a good job as a teacher and a coach.

I would have liked to have seen Delia's growth as she entered her High School years, and I think that would have been good to see her interact with Nina and Amy, because Amy was going to tell her all of her secrets and all of her wisdom! :lol: :love: I also would have liked to have seen how Delia and Andy's relationship would have changed in her teenage years.

I would have liked to see Andy and Harold continue with their practice and bicker in their good-natured way.

I think that Harold and Rose were headed for heartbreak with Lily, because I think that Cathy would have come back and wanted her back, and that would have been such a heartbreaking scenario for them, but I think that they would have gotten though it together and their marriage and love would be stronger than ever.

I love these ideas, Jerry! :love:

I also agree that I think Kathy would've come back and it would've been heartbreaking for Harold and Rose. I'm also surprised that after raising both Bright and Amy they wanted another kid :lol: :lol:

I like the idea of Bright becoming a gym teacher/sports coach. It fit his personality to a t. So like his bff (eye roll :lol:) Ephram he'd go into education, albeit another field. By the end of the series, Bright didn't bug me as much as the beginning. Does he need a love interest in the show? Hmm...

I would have liked to see Amy narrow down a field. I think she'd end up being pre-med with a minor in women's studies. In my head, she applies to NYU and she and Ephram live there for 4 years as she does med school, then does residency maybe upstate (just because they miss that country feel ;) ) and then they head back to Everwood. I like to imagine she would be an OGBYN which could combine dad's medicine and mom's politics. Could you imagine the uproar of a female doctor :lol: one that specializes in women's health in that small town :lmao: Uproar by the men

Thanks! :)

I definitely feel that would have happened. Kathy was in a precarious emotional and psychological state when she left, but I feel that with time and treatment she would get better and come back and want her baby back. That would have been so heart-wrenching to watch, but Everwood, after all, was a drama, and that would certainly be dramatic. I wasn't really sure why they were looking to adopt a baby before Kathy left Lily with them, because Bright and Amy were already grown and they were middle-aged by that point.

I hated Bright in the beginning and sometimes I feel like they used him for comic relief a little too often, but I can understand why they did it because Chris Pratt has certainly proven himself to be a gifted comedic actor. I never would have dreamed that he would become as huge as star as he's become when I watched that show. I actually didn't think he needed a love interest on the show and he especially didn't need Hannah as a love interest. I think that Bright could do well if he set his mind to something, but getting him to set his mind to something was often the problem, and it didn't help that Harold made it so obvious that Amy was his favorite child.

That would have been great to see because Everwood remained such a provincial and closed-minded town, and it would have been good to see Amy come back and shake up their perceptions of her and her role in the town. I also like the idea of Amy doing Med School in New York and her and Ephram living there for 4 years (maybe he could teach at a music school or even Julliard) and then coming back to Everwood.

I brought this up a couple years ago...

Do you guys think Delia deserved to know why Andy/Julia back in NYC had major issues and a big reason was due to her mother’s cheating? We find out her cheating was a side effect of Andy being absent but we saw how even Ephram changed his thinking after finding out about his mother’s cheating.

Would you guys have wanted to see Delia finding out the truth about her mother’s cheating once she was older or do you believe it’s something she was too young to understand at the time Ephram found out and not really necessary to tell her when she’d be old enough to digest and understand?

Wow. This is a super interesting question Michelle :eek:

I think Delia would never find out. She was so young when her mother died and I really think that even if Ephram or Andy told her when she was older and could understand, it would do more harm than good. I also think it just wouldn't do much for Delia. Julia and Delia were close but not as much as Julia and Ephram.

I think she would shrug it off if she heard about the affair.

By the point, Andy or Ephram might have told her, Nina is her stepmom. Her mom will have been dead 5-7 years at that point (depends how quickly A/N get married :lol:). She was 13 when the show ended, so she'd either be 14/15/16 when her dad and Nina got married.

Ephram will be well into his studies at this point in the show ;) and maybe not home as much as he used to be (even if "Colorado A&M" isn't far away). So, who is to tell Delia? Andy? And why would Andy want to bring it up with Delia?

Now I guess :lol: I'm throwing questions back out at you

I just saw this now or else I would have answered it sooner. :)

No, I don't feel that Delia needed to know why Andy and Julia had issues or that her mother had had an affair. She was so young when Julia died and she didn't harbor the resentment that Ephram had toward his father, and Andy was essentially forced to tell Ephram about Julia's affair because Ephram had falsely accused him of having an affair. I couldn't see anything good coming out of Andy telling Delia about Julia's affair unless there was some scenario where she brought it up.

I think that Julia cheating on Andy was part of the reason that they had problems, but the main reason (which Andy recognized and admitted to Ephram) was due to his workaholic ways and his neglect of Julia and their family.

One key difference in Ephram and Delia's reaction to moving is their age. I can relate because it didn't seem to bother my sisters at all to move to New Jersey and they never talk about our old neighborhood in The Bronx and they're not nostalgic about it like I was. Moving really bothered me and like Ephram I resented my parents for moving us away from where I was happy, but in hindsight they definitely made the right move as our neighborhood was changing and becoming increasingly unsafe, especially for a timid, short (then) and skinny kid like I was.

Love your answers! Once I get some coffee and breakfast I will be back!