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Originally Posted by The Apt
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Got it. I see what you mean. :) Honestly, I typically have zero ego (only inside my mind, I never share it with others) yet if I had to work with your boss and the jerk I would certainly be testing that lack of ego... it might just be coming out of hiding. :lol:
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True your default setting has no ego :nod: . Like even below zero. It is negative. However those people I guess are bad enough to bring it out even from you :lol: .
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I just thought of something... if your boss is so big on outside interaction between coworkers and building chemistry with the team both in and out of the office.... yet doesn't he have a problem with the jerk who is so unlikable at times that people call him out for sucking and/or literally leaving/quitting because they cannot stand to work with him? So your boss just makes an exception for the jerk and how he drives people away because he seems to not have a caring bone in his body?
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Well if you ask the jerk he has no issues with people interaction. If people have problems with him, it's their problem and not the jerk. The jerk had had the audacity to tell me that I have issues working with people and I am not diplomatic enough. He told me this earlier this year. And the boss thinks that the others have no issues with the jerk. It's just M is so vocal and the others are complete idiots and follow M and this is why they have issues with said jerk. My boss thinks that people are idiots I guess :D.
Now I know that I am not Extrovert so I do avoid working with people by default. Especially if I don't value the intelligence of said people. I am also not the most diplomatic person. I do know that I need a bigger goal to be diplomatic. However such criticism coming from him is a complete absurd. He tried to discourage me to take the more leading role in May. I knew where he was going so I told him that I like challenge so I will accept anyway :lmao: . However I did told one of my German co-workers what he said and asked him for his opinion because we were supposed to work together. My German co-worker said that on the contrary has no issues with me at all and he prefers to work with me. In hindsight he might have said something to my German boss but this is the jerk's problem. He should not be allowed to criticize me in stuff he sucks big time :D.
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It would almost be better if she lacked intelligence and somehow slipped through the cracks receiving a nice job even though she's not qualified versus the second option which is playing dumb to cover up for the jerk since it crosses lines and is disgusting.
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To be honest both approaches would not work for M and I. In our mind you are paid to do your job. If you are not qualified enough you are not doing your job efficiently. If you consider your emotions and play favoritism then you are not professional and you are not doing your work efficiently. If you play games and think you can deceive us, you could only challenge us to beat you in your game. So yeah this approach would not work long term for me or M.
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Just gross on every level. I am shocked they actually wanted to get rid of M because this disgusting trio understands they are not playing a clean game. I guess they might have been ridiculous in thinking M doesn't realize they have a cult. They know you understand their cult though so when you got involved they had no other choice but to keep M. I am sure they realize now M understands how they tick.
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They did want to get rid of M even though I specifically told the boss that out of M, O and P M is the only one that is knowledgeable enough in this area I was talking about and we need this. M was the one that had no issues questioning the decisions of the French that are supposedly specialists in this area. And he ended up right in the end and they had to do what he suggested.
I think that they do know that M is smart enough to see their game. They are also smart enough to know that I see their game. They can't get rid of me. I mean I have questioned their authority enough and I am the first person to publicly announce a war against the jerk and they have not done anything so it's safe to assume that their hands are tied. They just did not want in the team another one like me who sees right through them. Especially because M is more vocal and does not back down from an argument and does not fear conflict. Compared to him I am more inclined to find another ways to solve my issues without direct confrontation. I do not like the direct confrontation because I will have to show them my true self and I do not want that. So I save this for special cases. Another thing they did not need is for me and this other person to get along and M and I get along great. Now do not get me wrong. We are not friends, but we could work together smoothly without issues. M has never questioned my authority. If I ask him to do something (both work related and not directly work related like I could tell him I will call you in this meeting and I want you to complain about the jerk) he will do it. And that was before the direct conversation we had. Now he is even more willing to do stuff for me. And lastly O who is the boss/jerk favorite as he is easily manipulated gets along the best with M and me. In any other case O would defend the boss and jerk. If it's for me he would not argue with me and just accept that I dislike the boss and the jerk. He tried to bring peace between M and the jerk and I told him to leave it as it is if he wants to keep his friendship with M. O not just agreed with me, but I am sure that he had talked to the boss about M.
They were smart enough to identify how much issues M could cause them. They were not smart enough to realize that I am as smart as them and I know how M could help me so I would force them to keep M. My boss is not good in thinking about the future and devising contingency plans. I am. I tried to be direct with him and tell him that M is someone I want and need. He ignored my wish and I had to be really direct.
However to be honest in the end they helped me :lol: . I would not have been that open and direct with M if this had not happened. I mean I have never lied to M, but I did not have the need to show my true identity to him as we do not communicate at work. We mostly talk every day when we travel together and quite often we discuss work matters. Due to this issue I had to show a little bit more of me. Not my feelings, but my thoughts and what I value and what I want and I was completely direct with him. I told him I need you to do this and that in the project. In exchange I will do that. He told me that this works for him. I feel that this helped both M and I tremendously. It actually improved our work communication, it motivated M to work more and the project is actually getting better because of this. Now we have conversations where we even decide who to assign what task based on their competence, the task urgency and how they fit into the team. For example there was nasty bug and I told him to assign this bug to a guy. He was like "Why are you screwing up with the guy, the bug is tricky and he will be demotivated". M still assigned the bug to the guy and the guy managed to resolve it without issues. I had this conversation with him in front of a member of another team and she was surprised that we could discuss work matters like that. We both see our team members as chess figures and we know how to move them from one place another. Not that we manipulate the people, we just know the weakness and strengths of each one of them so we make conscious decisions on how to use those guys efficiently.
He even started opening to me about personal issues. Nothing big but he would talk about his family and issues he might have with them, his childhood, future plans related to his living situation, even what he likes about women and how he flirts with women and goes for them. So I guess this is our silver lining in the end.