Even though Ephram would have been devasted by this news he would still study at Julliard. Of course this is because Madison had already made the decision (without consulting Ephram) to give the baby up for adoption. If Madison had kept the baby Ephram would most likely have wanted to stay in Everwood and try to be an active father to his child.

:nod: Very true.

You analyzed this perfectly. Harold did make a promise and was responsible for Andy not telling Ephram earlier in the first place. You are right, Andy did feel relieved, you could tell. Almost like thanks for forcing me to go there soon. Andy looked like he could breathe thinking he will be able to stop holding it in soon. But at the same time, exactly... it was odd Andy wasn't super pissed at Harold for not only telling Amy without telling Andy he was going to go there or giving him the chance to also tell Ephram at the same time... but also… the timing of it, right before the audition. It did seem weird Andy wasn't angry. He actually had a right to be.

Right! I loved the moments too but it was all so anxiety-filled since the bomb was about to explode. Yes, the Colin mention was interesting. I completely forgot about that parallel even if Andy was in a worse position with John as his patient and Amanda married to him. But there was a parallel that existed, intentionally from the start or not, by the writers. Ephram definitely pointed it out.

No, I totally agree. That was strange how Andy just pops into the hospital and suddenly sees the doctor-friend missing out on family stuff... I mean, convenient. LOL. Then we have never seen Harold and Irv bump into each other, let alone sharing some private scenes since S1 but here we are. LOL. It was convenient writing. I suppose Fate was kind of a theme but still, it was very convenient and rushed, like wrapped up in a bow artificially.

I think Edna and Irv were really sacrificed and screwed over because of stupid Andy and Amanda. So once Amanda was finally off the screen they tried to immediately get Edna and Irv back on track. I almost feel like the writers created the drama between Irv and Edna so they had a reason not to show them for many episodes in a row until they were finished with the Amanda BS and then they would return to them. It was choppy and stupid.

:eek: I COMPLETELY missed this! I am going to check out the transcript and look again because you are 100% correct! Plus, we know Bright obviously doesn't learn from any of this. LOL.

Indeed. The second her mug hits the screen I was like... :sick:

:nod: :clap: You summed that up brilliantly.

Great ranking! :thumbs_up:

You’re so right on… WOW. I truly never noticed this before!

I found it very OOC that Andy didnt at least say "can you talk to amy and ask her not to tell Ephram until after the audition?" at least... it was weird he also didnt ask Madison that imo.

I think the writers just unintentionally did the same storyline and later were like "oh crap, we kinda did this already huh?" lmao. so then they threw that line in there.

Exactly, and a shame because tehy didnt want to take time developing Irv and Edna and just threw that whole storyline together in one episodes time. Its unrealistic that Harold didn't already know that Irv and Edna were taking a break. IF anythning it would ave made more sense for it to be slightly awkward between them and Irv to be like, "I know Edna told you what happened with us" or something.

I think the writers didnt like and/or know what to even do with edna and irv so they just gave them these stupid storylines and then resolved them quickly. I dont think they wanted to spend time on their characters. Same with Delia. Which is a shame because they could ahve done a longer storyline arc that lasted over multiple episodes rather than giving these quick fix storylines. to be honest nina gets sort of the same treatement. Its ridiculous we see more of jake then we do of her!!!

I usually try to look past these types of dialogue and scenes because I understand it was filmed back in the 2000s when this language wasn't as triggering as it is now after teh me too movement and women just bringing attention to these things. It was just the times and how people were conditioned to believe stereotypes. Like, if a woman had been doing all the things that Bright did she would have been labeled a ho but bright can get away woith it because hes a man. So we want to view his deeds apologizing as good deeds but it all felt very superficial to me. And it woul dhave been better had he realized, wow these women didnt need me and/or wnat me and they are moving on fine, which they kinda touched on bu then they had to go and like write those gross lines for Bright at the end. Like him just dismissing ephram being a good boyfirend, dismissing being in a real relationship and saying its a "girl" thing is just annoying. I was frustrated with a lot of the writing for Bright in general but to be fair Amy was making the fat joke too.


CRINGEEEEE.

So Ephram is a "bitch" (another derogatory female word) because hes being a sweet boyfriend??? So gross to say. Men should be good boyfriends and think of their girlfriends when they are gone. Instead, Bright should have commented how nice it was of him.


I HATE THIS. Fat jokes, lovely.

THEYD learn? Like we are all the same? Like a woman giving you another chance is something to be spat on? (thought this comment i can dismiss a little bit because at least he was sort of dissing himself lol)

Again, so gross. So women are only worthy when you want to use them for your sexual fantasies?

So only women can believe in love and respect and wanting to faithful to one person?


Yeah, not quite.

THROW THAT WHOLE SCENE AWAY lol.

Exactly. He was so passive with both Harold and Madison. It did feel very strange. He did all of this for Ephram to live a normal happy life but also to get through the audition. So why on earth after all this time wouldn't he tell Harold to ask Amy not to inform Ephram right away and Madison to wait as well. He might not think he had a right to suggest to Madison to wait but if he mentioned the audition even once indirectly (like, I would ideally want him to get through the audition, but do what you think is best) she might have had the sense for once and waited. He kind of already said as much but also told her to tell him everything too. So ridiculous.

Exactly. LOL.

Yes, indeed. The writing was so off and just not constructed with much attention to detail. It sucked.

:nod: YES! I think the writers in S3 were obsessed with both Scott Wolf and Anne Heche and as a result, their characters got way more attention. Ridiculous. It is not a coincidence the speculation for S5 was Delia, Edna, and Nina/Andy getting a lot of attention. The writers must have known they needed to fill in the blanks because they wasted too much time on other pointless things at times.

:nod: Exactly. You do have to pay attention to when it was filmed/created but like you said we are noticing so much more now. In a way, watching a show like Everwood and noticing these things is a trigger because we are seeing what lead up to where we are in the present. Even how Ephram approaches the baby storyline annoys me now. I don't like Madison but at the end of the day it was her body, her choice. She should have had an abortion from the start, lol, but either way, what she decided to do was always her choice ultimately. I know he was shocked after she told him but really, he should have been happy she made the decision about her body and it was a good one because the baby was in a good home with two parents who could fully take care of him and Ephram wasn't in any position to be a full-time father! The misogynistic tone is triggering given the present state of the country. Bright was considered the lovable loser, the funny guy so people back in the day laughed at how clearly misogynistic he was in endless scenes. Now you watch and it's like... gross.

Right?! Exactly. :irked:

:mad: Me too. I remember back then Chris Pratt wasn't exactly with the perfect body either. So Bright can say these things because he's a guy and doesn't have to look perfect but a girl will get ripped if she's fat. :puke:

:lmao: :lmao: :rotfl: 100% AGREE!

Putting up new discussion thread. :)

Ugh, annoying.

Even Hannah...


I do agree it was her choice and if she wanted the abortion then imo Ephram shouldn't have been able to stop that, but adoption is very different imo because shes having the child, which now exists in the world. The father has the right to know it exists. And then she gives up custody.... The fatherr has the right to want to raise the child himself. So I dont agree with the decision not to communicate. Ultimately, I think its the womans decision, unless the baby is born and the father wants to be involved, then he should be able to, at least iwth an open adoption situation.


Omg exactly! Not that Chris was fat either, but like bro, are you really one to be picky about bodies??? Damn.

Yesssss. Exactly.

You are right about that. I wasn't thinking perfectly with this because I had in mind that Ephram was a minor so his rights were lost overall but that isn't true. Nope. She never told Andy she was having the baby. When she made that decision then she should have contacted Ephram when she decided to keep the baby. Ephram wasn't in any position obviously to raise the baby on his own and I still do wonder what the courts might have done and said knowing he was not of legal age and she was... but overall, he could have talked to Andy about helping to raise the baby if he chose to go there. We know eventually Ephram thanks her during that phone call, or whatever he did, I hardly remember that horrible time period, lol. But he came to realize her situation was not an easy one and he was okay with the decision because the baby, in the end, was well taken care with two adopted parents caring for him.

Right. :lmao: