That is exactly it... high quality off the charts but heartbreaking at the same time... as well as frustrating knowing so much work and time into a relationship would be temporarily shattered like a tornado that blows in town and takes out everything in its path.

I loved this twist! Especially since Irv was MIA in many episodes in S3 so to have him show up not only on screen but find out the novel twist... it was really sweet. :)

That is precisely what I felt as well... dread.

I still feel such frustration over Harold telling Amy when he told her. He set up such hell on earth. You waited this long to tell your daughter, and right or wrong, you promised Andy you would keep the secret. In addition, you are the one, Harold, who told Andy NOT to tell Ephram in early S3 because you witnessed Ephram and Amy in love. Harold, you play a large part in all of this so putting Amy and Andy in vulnerable positions when this should have been handled in a careful and cautious manner really makes me want to jump through the screen and tell you that you royally screwed this up. Harold really did put his own daughter in a horrible position. Andy, as well, but Amy... she was set up for such a fall. :(

Ephram doesn't remember this conversation which was gold in that Amy admitted to him she was telling him about the baby the second he got finished with the audition. Plus, thanks to Harold, Amy wasn't able to go with Ephram back to NYC either. Man, Harold, you really caused unnecessary drama.

It should have went like this...

1. Harold heard Amy talk about "wanting to know" about important things (she was discussing Hannah) and have the IDEA to tell Amy.

2. At the party, Harold finds Andy and tells him he needs to tell Ephram because he wants Amy to know.

3. Andy tells Harold he is going to tell Ephram but after the audition.

4. If the witch Madison never tells Ephram (and Andy could have actually stopped this as well by telling her he would tell him the second the audition was over, or told her to wait until after the audition and he could have still told him first) the second Ephram gets back from NYC, Andy tells Ephram, Amy finds out from Harold at the same time, and then ultimately, Amy and Ephram discuss and deal with it together.

*** IF Madison told Ephram in NYC, at least Amy wouldn't have known and Ephram never would have broken up with Amy and instead, allowed her to help him with this shock and pain. In addition, Ephram might have apologized to Amy for once again, causing Madison drama which he has been known for causing (Madison band lie) in the past and now the lame pregnancy reveal too.

*** Lastly, if Madison saw Amy in NYC (and she would have gone with Ephram if the pregnancy wasn't revealed to her) she never would have told Ephram about the baby. She is cruel, but she wouldn't have told Ephram with Amy with him. She never would have found a way to get Ephram alone with her with Amy there. So at most, she would have told Andy he either tells Ephram soon or she will come back to Everwood in the near future and tell him. All of those options would have been better instead of how it actually went down.

It would have been fun seeing Harold and Irv meet up at the gym in the future. It could have been "their thing" catching up and working out together. Too bad it was only used in this episode to further the plot.

Fate (and free will) caused the tornado to wipe away their connection temporarily and it was so sad.

That was such a funny moment. LOL. Amy's friends (that group in general with Colin as the original leader) was a joke. :lol:

We should have received more Edna/Rose scenes as well as Harold/Irv scenes. I have a feeling S5 would have been filled with Edna/Rose, Edna/Harold and Edna/Harold/Rose scenes, however, so we didn't get to see this which is unfortunate.

I really loved these scenes.

This scene bothers me so much for obvious reasons... however, the main reason being seeing Ephram sit down and majestically start playing (as you beautifully stated) in his hometown, not caring about introversion, not caring about anything negative, just playing because he is free and happy for the first time in his life... what a moment, especially as he noticed his audience watching and loving every minute of it.

Then the stupid witch appears...

I felt this was such a realistic moment. She didn't hate Bright, she quite liked him for who he is... but Bright knew high school Bright wasn't the Bright he ultimately wanted to be in the present and certainly, future. It was a wake-up call that I wish would have lasted while he dated Hannah but we know what happens... :blank:

I wish Irv would have bluntly explained what was going on... or the woman being incorrectly defined should have ripped everyone for assuming the worst. :lol:

My heart felt like it was skipping during this scene.

I am so pro-Andy in this scene even if Andy is far from innocent as a whole in S3 for multiple reasons. But the second I viewed Madison's mug I just wanted to scream. She is the villain of this series and I cannot forget this fact. Again, she was free to do as she pleased no matter what. Andy did not blackmail her, he highly suggested but when has Madison ever listened to Andy in the past? Never. This is the first time she goes there then relishes in making him pay by screwing up his world and even Ephram's world. It was the ultimate revenge for Madison. We know based on speculation and spoilers (Berlanti even stated) Madison was returning in S5 to try and steal the baby away from the adopted parents. Does this sound like someone who is doing things in a delicate, right, sensitive way? Not a chance. So her reasoning for telling Ephram wasn't for Ephram... it was for revenge on Andy.

Bright had officially fallen for Hannah and this scene confirmed as much.

It was a nice scene.

This was all so bittersweet.

Amen.

This was the most heartbreaking part of this episode. Andy and Ephram have gone all the way in their relationship as father and son, and it couldn't have been better. Damn!! Madison has to come along and ruin everything! :mad: :mad:

Rose is great. I would love to have her as a friend!
So much growth these two went through! Ephram was nervous, but at the same time grew so much confidence. Andy came a long way as well...realizing how being a prominent surgeon took so much away from his life as a husband and father. These two were in such a perfect place. Damn you, Madison!!

NYC should have been a father/son celebration due to getting so far and “making it” together. Amy should have been there right with them. It should have been celebrations and happiness all around.

Instead, it turned into a plot from a Stephen King novel.

I know. :( Like you said, I view the next few episodes as something we have to get through. I'm not looking forward to watching them and writing about them.

100%.

It is unfortunate. It just wasn’t necessary. I wonder if the reason it happened was because Berlanti slightly stepped away and Rina was still infected with the virus known as Dawson’s Creek so she transferred some cheap trashy soap opera over to Everwood. The Madison pregnancy was established in the finale of 2. However, she took over at the start of S3… the series was at its soapiest in this season… Pregnancy looming, Ephram throwing a fit after returning from Juilliard at the beginning of the season, the Madison band lie, the nightmare in NYC. All of this happened on Rina’s watch in primary showrunner-mode. Dawson’s Creek virus might have been the culprit.

I definitely think you're right about that, plus Rina seemed to like to see Amy suffer. :(

For all we know her Joey obsession even had her hating the women in Everwood….

1. She openly laughs about torturing Amy.
2. Hannah gets cheated on.
3. Rose gets cancer.
4. Edna loses Irv later on.

Maybe the Joey Potter IT girl trickled on over to Everwood. LOL.

Yes, maybe so. I wish that Berlanti was more involved with the show in Seasons Three and Four.

I thought that this one line from this episode was hilarious:

DR. BROWN: I've been depressed.

EPHRAM: That your girlfriend's boyfriend just came out of a coma, trust me I'm like the one guy on earth who can totally relate.

:lol:

This episode encompasses everything that Everwood had built to just tear down in a cinematic fashion. Once again, Ephram was in a place where he had no one to turn to. Everyone, or just about everyone, knew Madison was pregnant but Ephram and he was the father!? How heartbreaking is that. First he finally mends a relationship with Andy, which was monumental on so many levels to be lied to his face for MONTHS! Andy had so many reasons to tell Ephram just so Ephram would know. I know there's this patient confidentiality thing, but doesn't the father have some rights, even if he is 17 years old? I mean, Madison took the easy way out and let her problem become THEIR problem. It became more of a fight between Amy/Ephram/Andy then it did about her and she caused it!



Irv narrating...aw, I can hear his voice now. He was simply a treasure! Did anyone know before it was revealed that Irv's Narrations were part of a book hew as writing. I just thought he was the narrator for production reasons and not because it was his character's arc of him being an author.


Listening to Irv speak was like wrapping up in a warm blanket with a book. I'd love to read his book...I wouldn't judge like the other Everwoodians did...I don't think I would :shrug:



I've said it a thousand times. WHY....WHY....WWHWHWHWYYYY did it have to happen in the heart of New York City...a place where Ephram couldn't go anywhere, couldn't get away...again, he was trapped in a situation he couldn't cut his way out of. Why couldn't it have happened after his Julliard audition? Ephram had his heart in the right place, really had confidence in himself to really shine at Julliard only to be riddled with anger and not make it. Ephram has every right to dream like everyone else and yet his dreams are shattered by the ones he wants to count on the most.



I haven't seen this dreaded episode in a while....why did Harold tell Amy about Madison's pregnant...it was none of his business.



I really hated how the story went for Irv and Edna. Come on, they were perfect next to Edna and Harold Senior. I love Everwood writers...but this one, I can't stand with. :nono:



Now knowing the fate of this episode, remembering this scene is even more heartbreaking. Ephram never was one to open up to anyone, especially Andy and he was finally in good place to do so. Ephram was reminded of all the pain he had when Julia died and how much he wanted to move back home to realize that he was happy living in Everwood and finally okay with Andy being in his life.


Then the trainwreck hit and well, we all know that derailment story.


I liked Edna and Rose’s conversation and Edna talked about her anger and hurt pride over Irv walking out on her, but Rose was determined to help her.



Andy knew that if Ephram ever saw Madison again, the truth would reveal itself. Madison could never leave well enough alone, that wasn't one of her harmonious traits :mad: She couldn't have just wished him well after basically being paid off by Andy Brown so that Ephram could live a full life and not be tied down by a child...being a child himself. Andy had to have known the good relationship he had with Ephram would be over.


Jerry or Michelle...if Madison hadn't told Ephram about the pregnancy that day in New York...would Andy had told him when getting back to Everwood...or again...would he lie to Ephram's face to keep the peace?



Bright really started to realize where his life was going on the path he was riding on. It was heartbreaking to see Bright go through the rock bottom that he did..but it was well worth it. He became the type of guy who would appreciate Hannah Rogers for the woman she would become and not just move on from her because sex wasn't her thing. Come on...Ketchup Children!


I think Bright was seen for so long as the funny kid in class, the one that makes jokes...and the one guy you never take seriously. I think, in this episode, he realized that the girl of his dreams wouldn't make him settle down and build a life...he had to do that for himself and realize why he was making jokes, wanting to be the funny kid in class. He was never told he could be something like they did with Amy. Amy and Bright, although very close in age, were raised in like two different worlds. They both had ambition, Amy was just told by Rose she could always make something of herself and Bright...he was just always told to do better.


Kind of sad when reflecting on Bright's past.



Madison had no right to do what she did. The lies about the pregnancy, that really had nothing to do with Madison...yet she made it her business. Was it so bad that Andy wanted his son to grow up, have his dreams come true, make something of himself. I really do believe Andy was planning to tell Ephram but Andy had seen Ephram hurt so much from losing Julia and then everything that happened with the move to Everwood...he didn't want to destroy that...I'll say it...FAITH that Ephram was finally starting to believe in. Ephram was starting to believe things were good and that's all Andy wanted. Andy knew the news would wreck Ephram and I think that's why Madison did it. She was feeling a lot of emotions and decided to make Ephram and Andy both feel about as badly as she does. That is what makes Madison happy...bringing good people down to her level.



Honestly, what did she think would happen when the stick turned blue...pink...any positive color and the father was just figuring out how to pass 11th grade math. Come on now...



Wonderful episode overshadowed by an ugly secret.

That's right!!!! I forgot about Amanda and her husband and it relating to Amy/Colin. Wow, so many parallels to Andy/Ephram's relationships...it's hard to keep up!


Yes! Andy taking Ephram to Julia's grave...showing her how close they had become in just a few years time.

Damn Madison!

It's good to see you here Patricia. Damn Madison indeed.

Andy intended to tell Ephram about Madison's pregnancy after his audition, but then Madison came along and ruined everything.

I agree. Berlanti returns for S4 mostly (definitely the 2nd half) but you could absolutely tell he wasn't around too much in S3.

:lmao: That is so true. Not a lot of people recognize that there actually is a parallel between Andy/Amanda and Ephram/Amy with John/Colin having severe neurological conditions. Of course, Andy's situation was a million times worse.

I think Andy was going to tell Ephram after the audition because Harold told Amy and Harold had the conversation with Andy that Amy knew. Andy mentioned to Harold that he would tell Ephram. Andy was going to tell Ephram but if he delayed once more, Amy certainly was going there the second Ephram returned from NYC. Either way, Ephram was finding out very shortly after the audition if Madison wouldn't have ruined everything.

Exactly. Damn Madison. :mad:

Let's pose another question....

If it so happened that Andy did in fact tell Ephram about Madison and the baby after Ephram's audition and after they got back home to Everwood...meaning Ephram hadn't met up with Madison while in New York...do you think Ephram would've still gone to study at Julliard (you know he would've been accepted :D)

That’s a good question!

Honestly, I’m not sure. I think deep instead his heart due to his scenes with Will, Jazz was always Ephram’s calling, a more relaxed type of musical career… teaching like he taught Kyle. So I think eventually for a living Ephram would have gone into a different direction instead of being a classical concert pianist. But he might have officially figured this out AFTER he studied at Juilliard. I think ultimately had Ephram gotten through the audition, was accepted, he’d see it more separate because he wasn’t told about the pregnancy in NYC and by stupid Madison. I think he’d still feel betrayed but not as much had Andy or Amy told him. What made it so bad was Madison telling him at such a huge moment in time in NYC and finding out his father knew. Piano was directly connected with the reveal inside his mind due to how and when he was told.

What I will also wonder is if Ephram found out Andy was about to tell him at the beginning of S3 but Harold stopped Andy due to witnessing the true love between Ephram and Amy might it have changed Ephram’s reaction? If Ephram knew both fathers didn’t want to tell him because they were looking out for his relationship with Amy how would Ephram have reacted then… would it have somewhat softened the blow?

Decently good episode... of course there were good and bad moments...

I found it a little unrealistic that Andy wasn’t mad at Harold for something so huge. I do think he was relieved to have the info out there but considering Andy get upset over dumb little things in the past I expected him to be more upset with Harold and I kind of wish he was... they just kinda skipped over that SL.

Seeing Andy in New york was fun, but I didnt really want him to miss it, tbh. But I did appreicate the moments with Ephram, especially the ending scene on the roof. It was sweet that Ephram wanted them to live together, its just unfortunate that we all knew it was going to be crashing down soon. The mention of Colin from Ephram was interesting... I didnt even think to correlate that to what Andy was dealing with regarding Amanda.

Some of the convos in this episode just felt so awkward and weird to me? Almost like too planned out or rushed? One was the scene with Andy and the doctor, it felt super duper random and strange to me. The other one was the convo with Harold and Irv at the gym. The way Irv was just explaining to Harold what happened... that was odd writing imo.

In general the entire Irv/Edna storyline was just kinda silly. Why break them up just to put them back together this quickly? They should worked through things more. I think it would have been better if Irv got the book deal and then told Edna about it, and thats what caused them to talk again and realize they miss each other or something. Speaking of the book, I found it a a bit weird that they bring this storyline in right now and say the book is done? That felt more like an end of series thing imo. I did enjoy the Rose and Irv scenes though, those felt natural.

Bright's storyline with the girls was so dumb. And frankly, it made Bright look so annoying to me. Like, he was above these girls and felt the need to apologize to them??? I liked that one girl who basically told him that seh never saw a future with him.. haha. Take that dummy! The ending convo with Amy rubbed me the wrong way too. How he said he only missed them in the shower, that Ephram was a sap for being a sweet boyfriend, Amy saying Bright would "miss" the right girl and Bright laughing that off and saying it was a "girl" thing... then that line about one of the girls getting fat? Like.. ew. A lot of that convo felt very misogynistic to me!

Ephram just randomly running into Madison was the dumbest thing ever! Like you are just gonna run into her in New York of all places! Right :lol:... I was so annoyed when I saw her face, just knowing what was coming.

I was so mad when she met with Andy told him off because lady, this happened a year ago and we already know you regretted what happened and that you are mad. But its done, at this point. And her acting like she has any right to judge Andy for wanting to protect his TEENAGE SON is insane! Like lady, you are an abuser who had sex with a child so shut the hell up. I'm sorry, but that really angers me. And again, its not like Andy held a gun to her head! At any point she could have refused Andy. SHE MADE HALF THE DECISION not to tell Ephram too... so I dont want to hear her sob story. Because if it were me, I would have told Ephram immediately.

Anyways, top 5 this episode is hard because everyone was kind of annoying this episode. But I will say:

1. Ephram
2. Amy
3. Andy
4. Harold
5. Rose