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2021-2022 Everwood Rewatch: Episode 2.05 - Daddy's Little Girl

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Daddy's Little Girl






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Andy invites Linda Abbott over for dinner but Delia considers her as a replacement for Julia, and swears at her father over dinner. Linda later falls out with Andy over a patient that he refers to her because she feels he only seems to believe in holistic therapy. Amy's therapist recommends antidepressants; her parents fight over this. Eventually Amy asks her father to prescribe them because she is desperate to feel better, he refuses her.

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5

AIR DATE
October 13, 2003

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I’m going to watch tomorrow.
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Decent episode but nothing amazing. So far this season has been a bit tame.

I feel sad for Amy but the show is tackling her depression well. I like that they didnt just sweep that aftermath under the rug. She knows she wants to get better and wants the pills so she should try them to see if they work for her.

I understand Harolds POV but he goes too far with his opinion at times and needs to be more understanding. It's been 5 months and it's been working for Laney. Amy is old enough to understand if she wants it or not. And the fact that she flat out asked for help and he ignored it is not cool.

Madison is so overbearing. And now she'ss saying Ephram has an old soul and and attractive quality??? That is very inappropriate to say to him. The whole "i keep forgetting you're 16" thing is kinda gross. Its like, if shes attracted to him, why isnt she freaking nicer? Damn. She's a strange character to understand and I def. wasnt that fond of her in this one.

Linda meh... Her and Andy met and went on a date way too freaking fast. I wish they had developed that relationship much slower and maybe I would have been more on board. She also got really mad at him and overreacted imo. I understand Delia's frustrations though she was being a huge brat this episode. Andy shouldnt have promised not to date her but i do think bringing her around to the house was way too soon.

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1. Amy
2. Laney
3. Rose
4. Ephram
5. Andy

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I lied, I just watched... thoughts while watching:

- Awe poor Delia watching Andy and Linda growing closer in the bookstore.

- I love Delia's hats. That look is my casual look daily as an adult. Lol.

- Poor Amy in the pool with the dream.

- I do agree with Linda talking about alternative medicine and how it can benefit and enhance any traditional treatment.

- Poor Amy when the new guy had Colin's locker. When she tells Bright and Laynie they promised it is so sad. EVC is magical on the screen.

- Oh joy, here comes Madison. Does she think she's funny calling Ephram 'Skippy' or does she realize she's a condescending witch?

- Here's the part where she tells Ephram he's an old soul but he's still 16 when he acts immature. Okay then, go away, Bucky and do your job.

- Harold is so wrong here yelling at the therapist and being dead set against anti-depressants. I also hate how he orders Rose to leave with him.

- This bickering between Madison and Ephram while Madison is supposedly helping Delia with schoolwork is so out of line. I can't get over how horrible it is.

- Madison is so condescending.

- Good for Rose sticking up for Amy and herself. Bright giving his opinion, too. Go Bright!

- The dinner at the Browns is a disaster. How horrible that Ephram and Delia are forced to eat that food.

- Ephram laughing when Delia swears at the table is so funny.

- I love you, Delia, Vivien is so good.

- The parallel with Harold and Andy being clueless about Amy and Delia is so clear.

- Emily VanCamp shines in this Amy depression storyline. On any other network it's award time.

- Oh Andy you have no idea what you're talking about joking that you should give the babysitter a raise.

- The scene when Amy confronts Harold about why he prescribed Laynie drugs and not his own daughter is one of the best Emily VanCamp scenes in the series. Wow, just wow! She is so fabulous, give that girl an Emmy already.

- Harold is so dead wrong here. He never talked to Rose about this, he has his own opinion and that's all that matters. He's just so set in his ways. Why not refer Amy to an outpatient therapist? He's totally making it all about him.

- Such a powerful scene when Amy sees Colin underwater. The meaning behind this moment is so deep and significant. Harold doesn't have a clue what is going on. She is suffering so severely with clinical depression.

- I can't believe that Madison is at the school function.

- Awe that she's talking about Julia. <3

Last Thoughts:

- “I’d like to run my own country someday. But not Israel, that one’s too hard.” Hee, should have known Delia would shine throughout the episode just based on this comment alone.

- The “old soul” conversation, they weren’t even trying to pretend that they were doing anything but setting up an Ephram/Madison pairing.

- Margaret Sanger is not necessarily an appropriate topic for a fourth-grader’s presentation... then, Madison being the one to suggest the most prominent figure in the birth control movement. Oh man.

- Rose has some great moments in S2. About time.

- Delia's hero... I remember watching the first time, and had no idea it was Julia. It was so perfectly executed.

As always... go away, Madison.
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I'm going to watch this episode tonight and post my commentary.
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I'm going to watch this episode tonight and post my commentary.
Sounds good!
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Decent episode but nothing amazing. So far this season has been a bit tame.
Agreed. It feels weird to me because the lack of Ephram/Amy is clear. There's a dark tone to the season and lack of Ephram/Amy really adds to it.

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I feel sad for Amy but the show is tackling her depressing well. I like that they didnt just sweep that aftermath under the rug. She knows she wants to get better and wants the pills so she should try them to see if they work for her.
Absolutely right, completely agree.

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I understand Harolds POV but he goes too far with his opinion at times and needs to be more understanding. It's been 5 months and it's been working for Laney. Amy is old enough to understand if she wants it or not. And the fact that she flat out asked for help and he ignored it is not cool.
It's such a sad and heartbreaking situation. He really needs to help his daughter. If he doesn't feel comfortable, refer her to a mental health specialist who can help. I don't like Harold's decisions during this time period. I love you, Harold, but come on.

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Madison is so overbearing. And now she'ss saying Ephram has an old soul and and attractive quality??? That is very inappropriate to say to him. The whole "i keep forgetting you're 16" thing is kinda gross. Its like, if shes attracted to him, why isnt she freaking nicer? Damn. She's a strange character to understand and I def. wasnt that fond of her in this one.


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Linda meh... Her and Andy met and went on a date way too freaking fast. I wish they had developed that relationship much slower and maybe I would have been more on board. She also got really mad at him and overreacted imo. I understand Delia's frustrations though she was being a huge brat this episode. Andy shouldnt have promised not to date her but i do think bringing her around to the house was way too soon.
Andy/Linda did happen very quickly. Granted, we saw some flirting before this time but it was very brief and Ephram and Delia were not aware of it so this was brand new to them very very quickly.

You can tell Berlanti is eager to set up the three main romantic pairings of S2:

Andy/Linda
Ephram/Madison
Amy/Tommy

... pairings that all share the same theme... short-term.

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1. Amy
2. Laney
3. Rose
4. Ephram
5. Andy
I love this ranking, especially Amy at #1.
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Alexa, did you watch S2 Outer Banks? I am on 2.7 and what a ride! Loving it! Like your avatar. I totally ship those two. I totally ship John B/Sarah too.

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Even though it was short-lived, I think Andy/Linda needed to happen just for Andy’s character development. I don’t think he quite got to the point where he was in love with her, but I think she helped him see that he COULD fall in love again with time.
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Even though it was short-lived, I think Andy/Linda needed to happen just for Andy’s character development. I don’t think he quite got to the point where he was in love with her, but I think she helped him see that he COULD fall in love again with time.
That's such a great point and what Linda represented. Completely agree. He learned a lot from his relationship with her. It was also a good storyline for Ephram and Delia since they worried about losing their father as well (due to HIV). As we know, the only other relationship he had before Nina was the gross Amanda situation so all the more, it was good that he had Linda. You make such a great point about it showing Andy he could open up his heart again. That is definitely the most important part of Andy/Linda for Andy.
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That's such a great point and what Linda represented. Completely agree. He learned a lot from his relationship with her. It was also a good storyline for Ephram and Delia since they worried about losing their father as well (due to HIV). As we know, the only other relationship he had before Nina was the gross Amanda situation so all the more, it was good that he had Linda. You make such a great point about it showing Andy he could open up his heart again. That is definitely the most important part of Andy/Linda for Andy.
Definitely. It is interesting that his friendship with Nina kind of got in the way,though.

About the episode, Harold frustrates me so much during this time period.
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I thought that this was a rather pivotal and emotionally powerful episode, as we saw that the relationships that two loving fathers had with their daughters were changing and that neither one of them were completely prepared to deal with those changes. One constant in the lives of Andy Brown and Harold Abbott was the close relationship that they shared with their daughters Delia and Amy, but as we saw in this episode, both of these fathers were shocked when their daughters behaved in ways that they had never seen them behave before, and Andy and Harold dealt with these changes in different ways, and in Harold’s case, the way he dealt with Amy would have dire consequences in the future and cause a rift in their relationship that never completely healed.

I think the one theme that has resonated throughout this season is the effect that Colin Hart’s death had on everyone that loved him, as we saw his father’s alcoholism increase as he lost all hope for the future, mourning something that would never be, but no one was more affected by his death than Amy, and the dreams she had both in the beginning and the end of this episode were incredibly metaphorical, as she felt that she was struggling and drowning as she attempted to go through life without the boy that she had loved so much, and in her final dream, she seemed to want to give in and be “pulled under” by Colin, and I was truly frightened by this dream, and by Amy’s reaction to this dream, as it seemed to portend dire consequences for this heartbroken young woman.

We saw in this episode that Amy’s life is falling apart, and that she isn’t experiencing normal grief, but something with much more serious consequences, as she accosted a new student that had accidentally been given Colin’s locker, and she spoke to her father in a way that hurt him right down to his heart. At the same time, however, we also saw that Harold’s love for his daughter has skewed his judgment as a physician, as he refused the advice of Amy’s counselor and he later ignored the pleas of Amy herself that she be put on medication to help her get through this devastating time in her life, and this decision on his part had far reaching consequences for his relationship with his daughter. We got to see in this episode that Harold and Amy always had a special relationship with each other that basically shut out everyone else in the family, but as Rose pointed out to him, that relationship had now blinded him to just how serious his daughter’s condition really was, and as a result, they were both losing her. I really disliked how harshly dismissive Harold was toward Amy’s counselor (who I recognized as the actress who played Dr. Camille Saroyan on Bones) and how he wouldn’t give Rose a chance to speak up at their meeting with her, but I was really happy to see her stand up to Harold later and call him on his blindness to how serious her condition was. I thought it was sad that Amy, after talking to Laynie, realized that medication might help her to get through the acute depression she was experiencing but Harold was too blinded by pride and arrogance to listen to her when she came to him, and he refused to prescribe the medication she so desperately needed, causing her to lash out at Harold in a way she had never done before.

I enjoyed seeing the rapport that Andy and Linda have, but it was obvious that they were setting up Linda to becoming a love interest for Andy, and it was very obvious in this episode that Delia was definitely not thrilled about that prospect! The looks that Delia gave Linda at the Library as well as the extremely phony and angry smile that she gave her when Andy introduced them spoke volumes about how threatened she felt by Andy's interest in Linda, and how she wasn't ready to entertain the thought of anyone replacing her mother in her life. It was very obvious, except to the two “clueless men” Andy and Ephram, that Delia saw Linda as a threat to her mother’s memory, and it took a woman, namely Madison, to supply the insight concerning what Delia was feeling, and fortunately for Andy, he listened to Madison’s advice (through Ephram) and he spoke to Delia and assured her that he only liked Linda as a friend and a colleague, but the very fact that Delia made him promise that he would never date Linda made me feel that she saw that Linda was already more than just a friend and a colleague to Andy, and I think she knew that he would definitely break that promise, and that this won’t be the last “incidence of rebellion” that he’ll have to deal with concerning his daughter. Still though, it was hilarious to see sweet little Delia curse, and it was even funnier when she said “it’s not as bad as the “F Word” when he asked her where she learned that word.

Andy really learned a lesson about “complicated human emotions” in this episode, but I didn’t like how he gave so much credit to Madison, who annoyed me again with her smug sense of superiority. I also didn’t like how she would call Ephram an “old soul” one minute and “Skippy” another minute, and I just got a creepy vibe from how she talked to him. I was really touched when Delia chose her mother as her hero in her speech, and we saw once again how the loss of a loved one can have such far reaching consequences on the people that they leave behind.

Once again, we got to see a side of Andy that made us understand why Ephram and Julia used to disparagingly call him “the great Dr. Brown,” as he smugly recounted to Linda what was wrong with Delia’s friend Britney, and he arrogantly dismissed her diagnosis concerning the underlying emotional problems that may have caused the compulsive nail biting that had caused her to get sick, but I was glad to see that he later realized that Linda was right, and that he went and apologized to her, which is a pattern we’ve seen him follow with many other people in his life.

Overall, I thought that this was one of the best episodes of this season so far, and it really illustrated just how complicated father-daughter relationships can be.
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One thing that really struck me in this episode is how talented both Emily Van Camp and Vivien Cardone were at such a young age. They both did an outstanding job in this episode and they handled their dramatic scenes so well. All the actors on Everwood were really first rate with a few possible exceptions, but all the actors who played the main characters were incredible. Everything was first rate on this show, from the writing, to the acting, to the themes that were covered in it.
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I thought that this was a rather pivotal and emotionally powerful episode, as we saw that the relationships that two loving fathers had with their daughters were changing and that neither one of them were completely prepared to deal with those changes. One constant in the lives of Andy Brown and Harold Abbott was the close relationship that they shared with their daughters Delia and Amy, but as we saw in this episode, both of these fathers were shocked when their daughters behaved in ways that they had never seen them behave before, and Andy and Harold dealt with these changes in different ways, and in Harold’s case, the way he dealt with Amy would have dire consequences in the future and cause a rift in their relationship that never completely healed.

I think the one theme that has resonated throughout this season is the effect that Colin Hart’s death had on everyone that loved him, as we saw his father’s alcoholism increase as he lost all hope for the future, mourning something that would never be, but no one was more affected by his death than Amy, and the dreams she had both in the beginning and the end of this episode were incredibly metaphorical, as she felt that she was struggling and drowning as she attempted to go through life without the boy that she had loved so much, and in her final dream, she seemed to want to give in and be “pulled under” by Colin, and I was truly frightened by this dream, and by Amy’s reaction to this dream, as it seemed to portend dire consequences for this heartbroken young woman.

We saw in this episode that Amy’s life is falling apart, and that she isn’t experiencing normal grief, but something with much more serious consequences, as she accosted a new student that had accidentally been given Colin’s locker, and she spoke to her father in a way that hurt him right down to his heart. At the same time, however, we also saw that Harold’s love for his daughter has skewed his judgment as a physician, as he refused the advice of Amy’s counselor and he later ignored the pleas of Amy herself that she be put on medication to help her get through this devastating time in her life, and this decision on his part had far reaching consequences for his relationship with his daughter. We got to see in this episode that Harold and Amy always had a special relationship with each other that basically shut out everyone else in the family, but as Rose pointed out to him, that relationship had now blinded him to just how serious his daughter’s condition really was, and as a result, they were both losing her. I really disliked how harshly dismissive Harold was toward Amy’s counselor (who I recognized as the actress who played Dr. Camille Saroyan on Bones) and how he wouldn’t give Rose a chance to speak up at their meeting with her, but I was really happy to see her stand up to Harold later and call him on his blindness to how serious her condition was. I thought it was sad that Amy, after talking to Laynie, realized that medication might help her to get through the acute depression she was experiencing but Harold was too blinded by pride and arrogance to listen to her when she came to him, and he refused to prescribe the medication she so desperately needed, causing her to lash out at Harold in a way she had never done before.

I enjoyed seeing the rapport that Andy and Linda have, but it was obvious that they were setting up Linda to becoming a love interest for Andy, and it was very obvious in this episode that Delia was definitely not thrilled about that prospect! The looks that Delia gave Linda at the Library as well as the extremely phony and angry smile that she gave her when Andy introduced them spoke volumes about how threatened she felt by Andy's interest in Linda, and how she wasn't ready to entertain the thought of anyone replacing her mother in her life. It was very obvious, except to the two “clueless men” Andy and Ephram, that Delia saw Linda as a threat to her mother’s memory, and it took a woman, namely Madison, to supply the insight concerning what Delia was feeling, and fortunately for Andy, he listened to Madison’s advice (through Ephram) and he spoke to Delia and assured her that he only liked Linda as a friend and a colleague, but the very fact that Delia made him promise that he would never date Linda made me feel that she saw that Linda was already more than just a friend and a colleague to Andy, and I think she knew that he would definitely break that promise, and that this won’t be the last “incidence of rebellion” that he’ll have to deal with concerning his daughter. Still though, it was hilarious to see sweet little Delia curse, and it was even funnier when she said “it’s not as bad as the “F Word” when he asked her where she learned that word.

Andy really learned a lesson about “complicated human emotions” in this episode, but I didn’t like how he gave so much credit to Madison, who annoyed me again with her smug sense of superiority. I also didn’t like how she would call Ephram an “old soul” one minute and “Skippy” another minute, and I just got a creepy vibe from how she talked to him. I was really touched when Delia chose her mother as her hero in her speech, and we saw once again how the loss of a loved one can have such far reaching consequences on the people that they leave behind.

Once again, we got to see a side of Andy that made us understand why Ephram and Julia used to disparagingly call him “the great Dr. Brown,” as he smugly recounted to Linda what was wrong with Delia’s friend Britney, and he arrogantly dismissed her diagnosis concerning the underlying emotional problems that may have caused the compulsive nail biting that had caused her to get sick, but I was glad to see that he later realized that Linda was right, and that he went and apologized to her, which is a pattern we’ve seen him follow with many other people in his life.

Overall, I thought that this was one of the best episodes of this season so far, and it really illustrated just how complicated father-daughter relationships can be.
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Definitely. It is interesting that his friendship with Nina kind of got in the way,though.
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Me too. Really bad time for Harold. Harold can be quirky and downright annoying but in the end always comes around. Not with this storyline. He’s so rigid and unbending. It’s very tough to watch.
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