Dawson's Creek - True Love {Pacey/Joey}#479: They have Survived Shipping Wars for 15+ years - Page 5

Butterfly85 · 04-04-2019, 11:48 PM

I loved that Pacey made Joey take more risks and get out of her comfort zone. It was just another thing showing they matured and grew together. With Dawson she was stuck in the same place, never growing up or evolving. That's just another thing showing why they never worked out or belonged together. I loved when Joey said Dawson would of never inspired her to run away on a boat for a summer, ain't that the truth.

3ku11 · 04-05-2019, 02:05 AM

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I loved that Pacey made Joey take more risks and get out of her comfort zone. It was just another thing showing they matured and grew together. With Dawson she was stuck in the same place, never growing up or evolving. That's just another thing showing why they never worked out or belonged together. I loved when Joey said Dawson would of never inspired her to run away on a boat for a summer, ain't that the truth.

I Think it was pretty obvious when the name of the boat was called 'True Love'. That they would end up together haha.

AsgardianJane · 04-05-2019, 04:27 AM

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Another moment that we should consider too is in S2 Psychic Friends, the Fortune Teller tells Joey that there is a handsome, tall, dark man in her future. I know she then meets up with that photographer, but he really wasn't that tall, so I always felt is was more about Pacey than anyone else.

I'll go with #24 this round.

Exactly, epsiodes don't exist in isolation. You can't judge each chapter separately in a book or even a book in a series. The whole thing has to come together. You can't write something in Season 2 and expect it not to have implications in Season 3. Or you can't write something in season 6 and expect it to not affect what you wrote in Season 1. Everything has to be put together and it may not have been intentional but it is what it is.

**ChristinaL80** · 04-05-2019, 11:25 AM

#17 - 1
#24 - 3 - Eliminated
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Round 9

1. 1x03 - Kiss

Pacey: Actually something a little sexy would be good, I gotta a maybe sorta date this evening.
Joey: Hmm, who's the lucky farm animal tonight?
Pacey: Ahh, What's that , what's that that makes a woman horny?
Joey: Your polar opposite?

2. 1x04 - Discovery

3. 1x06 - Baby

Joey: Hey, Jail bait.

4. 1x07 - Detention

5. 1x08 - Boyfriend

PACEY: Ooh Mellisa Fife, one o’clock. Girl of my dreams right there. How do I look?
JOEY: Like the ‘before’ picture in an ad for geek remover.
PACEY: Easy, doll. Jealousy’s not going to get you anywhere.

6. 1x10 - Double Date
Eliminated - Round 4

7. 1x10 - Double Date
Eliminated - Round 6

8. 1x10 - Double Date

9. 1x13 - Decisions
Eliminated - Round 5

10. 3x03 - None of the Above

Pacey: Okay, so tell me honestly: does it look that bad?
Joey: On your face, any reconstructive surgery whatsoever is a definite improvement.

11 3x04 - Home Movies

PACEY: Well, coming from a just-minded soul such as yourself, I’m sure your punishment will be nothing but fair, sir.
JOEY: Well thank you, Eddie Haskell.
PACEY: Where is your school spirit Josephine?
JOEY: I think I left it cowering in the bushes.
PACEY: Now that is a gross misconception. I hurled myself upon the flames of responsibility.
JOEY: I hope a deer tick crawled in your ear and laid eggs.

12. 3x06 - Secrets and Lies

13. 3x09 - Four To Tango

14. 3x15 - Crime and Punishment

15. 4x01 - Coming Home

16. 4x02 - Falling Down

Pacey: So, do they want to see you in the guidance office after school?
Joey: No.
Pacey: No. See, that right there is a bad sign. It means they're singling me out already.
Joey: Aw, don't worry, sweetie. They probably want to extend a hand and let you know that they're there to help you fulfill your destiny as the world's greatest gas station attendant.

17. 4x04 - Future Tense

18. 4x04 - Future Tense
Eliminated - Round 4

19. 4x06 - Great Xpectations
Eliminated - Round 1

20. 4x09 - Kiss kiss bang bang

Pacey: Well, have you thought about hiring an escort? 'Cause from what I'm told you can't take me anywhere.
Joey: I called around, but they're all out of socially-presentable man-meat.
Pacey: Well, what if I just broke up with you, hmm? I mean, what would you do then?
Joey: Look, do what you have to do. You're still coming with me.

21. 4x15 - Four Stories

22. 6x14 - Clean and Sober.
Eliminated - Round 2

23. 6x14 - Clean and Sober

Joey: Lay one on me, Pace.

24. 6x15 - Castaways
Eliminated - Round 8

25. 6x17 - Sex and Violence
Eliminated - Round 7

26. 6x24 - Must Come to an End

Butterfly85 · 04-05-2019, 11:46 AM

clarkson_fan · 04-05-2019, 12:44 PM

3ku11 · 04-05-2019, 11:43 PM

I'll go with #17

**ChristinaL80** · 04-06-2019, 11:41 AM

#17 - 3 - Eliminated

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Round 10

1. 1x03 - Kiss

Pacey: Actually something a little sexy would be good, I gotta a maybe sorta date this evening.
Joey: Hmm, who's the lucky farm animal tonight?
Pacey: Ahh, What's that , what's that that makes a woman horny?
Joey: Your polar opposite?

2. 1x04 - Discovery

3. 1x06 - Baby

Joey: Hey, Jail bait.

4. 1x07 - Detention

5. 1x08 - Boyfriend

PACEY: Ooh Mellisa Fife, one o’clock. Girl of my dreams right there. How do I look?
JOEY: Like the ‘before’ picture in an ad for geek remover.
PACEY: Easy, doll. Jealousy’s not going to get you anywhere.

6. 1x10 - Double Date
Eliminated - Round 4

7. 1x10 - Double Date
Eliminated - Round 6

8. 1x10 - Double Date

9. 1x13 - Decisions
Eliminated - Round 5

10. 3x03 - None of the Above

Pacey: Okay, so tell me honestly: does it look that bad?
Joey: On your face, any reconstructive surgery whatsoever is a definite improvement.

11 3x04 - Home Movies

PACEY: Well, coming from a just-minded soul such as yourself, I’m sure your punishment will be nothing but fair, sir.
JOEY: Well thank you, Eddie Haskell.
PACEY: Where is your school spirit Josephine?
JOEY: I think I left it cowering in the bushes.
PACEY: Now that is a gross misconception. I hurled myself upon the flames of responsibility.
JOEY: I hope a deer tick crawled in your ear and laid eggs.

12. 3x06 - Secrets and Lies

13. 3x09 - Four To Tango

14. 3x15 - Crime and Punishment

15. 4x01 - Coming Home

16. 4x02 - Falling Down

Pacey: So, do they want to see you in the guidance office after school?
Joey: No.
Pacey: No. See, that right there is a bad sign. It means they're singling me out already.
Joey: Aw, don't worry, sweetie. They probably want to extend a hand and let you know that they're there to help you fulfill your destiny as the world's greatest gas station attendant.

17. 4x04 - Future Tense
Eliminated - Round 9

18. 4x04 - Future Tense
Eliminated - Round 4

19. 4x06 - Great Xpectations
Eliminated - Round 1

20. 4x09 - Kiss kiss bang bang

Pacey: Well, have you thought about hiring an escort? 'Cause from what I'm told you can't take me anywhere.
Joey: I called around, but they're all out of socially-presentable man-meat.
Pacey: Well, what if I just broke up with you, hmm? I mean, what would you do then?
Joey: Look, do what you have to do. You're still coming with me.

21. 4x15 - Four Stories

22. 6x14 - Clean and Sober.
Eliminated - Round 2

23. 6x14 - Clean and Sober

Joey: Lay one on me, Pace.

24. 6x15 - Castaways
Eliminated - Round 8

25. 6x17 - Sex and Violence
Eliminated - Round 7

26. 6x24 - Must Come to an End

clarkson_fan · 04-06-2019, 12:22 PM

#3 Just because it's a small one liner, as great as that one line is.

**JJH85** · 04-06-2019, 05:57 PM

Butterfly85 · 04-06-2019, 06:30 PM

3ku11 · 04-06-2019, 09:07 PM

hshapir2 · 04-06-2019, 10:59 PM

I love seeing your posts AsgardianJane

If we want to think of another parallel, we can go back to season 5 when Joey is talking about Dawson to Pacey, she says who and what she wanted shifted. Fast forward to the finale and she tells Jen she knows who she is supposed to be with. It was probably unintentional, but Joey just melts when she's hugging Pacey at the end of AFD in season 5

AsgardianJane · 04-07-2019, 05:56 AM

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I love seeing your posts AsgardianJane

If we want to think of another parallel, we can go back to season 5 when Joey is talking about Dawson to Pacey, she says who and what she wanted shifted. Fast forward to the finale and she tells Jen she knows who she is supposed to be with. It was probably unintentional, but Joey just melts when she's hugging Pacey at the end of AFD in season 5

Season 5 and 6 are so confused. Like they knew they didn't want to do the triangle but still knew they had to do the triangle. So they started to make comments about the triangle through other stories.

Like Elliot vs Professor Wilder. Elliot being the name of the lead in ET and Wilder being her hot teacher. Its a symbolic triangle again, she chooses Wilder.

Then there is Eddie, the living embodiment of Joey's indecision. Half Dawson, Half Pacey as he is called out in Merry Mayhem. (another thing to notice is that when in Season 4 Dawson is without Pacey and Joey he also has a 50/50, Gretchen Witter. The childhood crush with the Witter sense. Both Joey and Dawson try to find their triangle again. The three of them need each other to be complete. You can argue in S2 Pacey tries to make up the gap of Joey in some ways with Andie.)

Then there are the mini-mes at the very end of season 6 where they recreate the movie on the dock. Mini Joey is in love with Mini Pacey.

Season 6 would have been better had they been braver. They just didn't want to destroy Williamson's Dawson/Joey vision. But none of Season 5 and 6 says anything in the end which is why Williamson could do a finale that essentially ignored them altogether. The stuff about Joey and Dawson being childhood first love was there in 3 and 4 already.

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Joey: Pacey, I do think about the future. I do.

Pacey: So what do you see when you see the future?

Joey: Us. Me and you, Pace. We grew up together. And see, Dawson and I, we didn't grow up. We are in that house, in Dawson's bedroom, eternally having the same argument over and over again in this endless cycle that goes on and on. And...I can't stop it. Because whenever I'm around him, I become 15 again.

The stuff about Dawson being a fantasy and Pacey being reality is all there in A Cinderella Story.

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Pacey: Don't you see? Little scrubber girl Joey gets to put on a pretty dress and go to the ball with college prince charming. That's not real. It's a fairy tale.
Joey: Say what you will, but fairy tale or not, I still feel what I feel.
Pacey: What I'm saying is, all you have here is an eyes closed wish.
Joey: Sometimes wishes come true.
Pacey: Yes, sometimes wishes do come true. Sometimes even in unexpected places. But reality always finds a way of creeping back in, Jo. The clock inevitably strikes midnight. There's pumpkin city. The fantasy fades.

...

Joey: You know the whole time that I was watching them, I just kept thinking, 'This is it. This is real. Just like Pacey said. This is the real thing.' And it reminded me once again, what exactly I don't have.
Pacey: Keeping looking, you'll find it.
Joey: No I won't. Isn't it obvious by now, I'm not meant to.
Pacey: Why? Cause you're 16 and alone? Come on
Joey: No, because I'm 16, and in my entire life there's been 2 people who actually know me, Pacey. Dawson and
Pacey: This A.J. guy didn't know you. I don't care how you felt about him, Jo, he didn't know you, cause if he did, he never would have walked away.
Joey: I was going to say you, Pacey.

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Dawson: more than what? More than us? You don't know, do you? You've never known. The entire time I've known you, all you've wanted to do is escape. From me, from Capeside. I mean, you say that I'm the dreamer. I'm the one who doesn't wanna live in the real world. Well, I'm doing it, Joey. Right now. I'm living in the real world. It's you who wants the fantasy.
Joey: I want the fantasy?
Dawson: Yes.
Joey: Who lit the candles? Who bought the champagne?

...
Joey: I want the fantasy. I want more than anything for us to be together. But not like this. Not screaming at the top of our lungs about things that happened 4 years ago.
Dawson: But if we can't argue like this and get past it, then...
Joey: maybe there's nothing here worth saving. Maybe last night was just...
Dawson: Just what?
Joey: Just 2 old friends making a huge mistake.

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Joey: And don't miss mine. Pacey... I love you. You know that. And it's very real. It's so real that it's kept me moving, mostly running from it, never ready for it. And I love Dawson. He's my soul mate. He's tied to my childhood, and it's a love that is pure and eternally innocent. I can't be let off the hook because I might just get the notion that it's ok to keep running.

When Joey says that they are always in that room having the same arguments, ghosts of their former selves its a statement on the writing. It never moved forward because they were afraid of going to far against the original concept.

And I also just noticed a parallel with that argument between Joey and Dawson in season 6. How they can't get fight and get past it.

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Dawson: [Sighs] I've seen how much she loves him. I've seen it in her face. I've seen them hold hands, I've seen them kiss, and tonight, I saw them fight, which is something I've basically seen them do every day of my life since the first grade, but
Gretchen: but not like this.
Dawson: [Sighs] I think it was actually worse than the kissing.

That exchange was always vague to me. Was he upset because he realised the fights he thought were actual fights were never actual fights. That the banter was flirting? Dawson sincerely believes in Season 1 Joey and Pacey hate each other but we know that isn't true. Was he just realising it then? Or did he think about how he and Joey fought and it always led to something serious. When Joey and Pacey fight they can get over it. They've been fighting since they were 5 years old and they are closer than ever.

**ChristinaL80** · 04-07-2019, 10:17 AM

I'll go with #3.

#3 - 2
#21 - 1
#26 - 2

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