Anti-Soulmates

Even though it led to one of my favorite scenes of the series, Paceys beard was so.... I was sad to see it go. I seriously first started watching Fringe when I saw that Josh Jackson was going to be rocking that facial hair

ChristinaL80

I didn't hate the beard, but I didn't love it either.

posterity

I prefered him without his beard. Not that I hated it but I always wonder how someone feels making out with someone with who has a lot of facial hair around their lips.
I love debates too but I think the "respectful" atmosphere of FF has driven away people who are more outspoken by nature. I am not familiar with those other boards you mentioned. Do they no longer exist? I suppose not if they were made solely for the purpose of DC discussions.

Love Bites is an absolute disaster. Two PJ scenes I cannot bring myself to rewatch is the Promicide blow out and when Joey tells Pacey that she does not feel it. It was a complete letdown but I also think those five episode arcs were sort of indicative of PJ ending up together. They needed to rebuild their story after they largely ignored it after season 4; especially since Dawson was featuring far less in season 6 then he did in the other seasons.

I still don't understand Audrey. I think she had the same role of Andie in season 2. They were trying to move back to Dawson/Joey and they needed to give Pacey something to do or a reason for him to be okay with it. Obviously in season 2 there was no Pacey/Joey but Pacey was the odd man out when Dawson and Joey were doing their song and dance.

ChristinaL80

Love Bites is easier to understand now after Joey explains in the finale that she was running out of fear, For a couple that had a last minute happy ending, all the pieces to the Pacey and Joey story seemed to come together nicely.

posterity

She says it in season 3 too, when she says that as scary as it is to admit that she loves Pacey, she doesn't want to run from it. I guess it's a nice full circle. There was something else too I noticed but I've watched so many episodes lately that it is all jumbled up.

msstock87

I never realized that until now, that Joey has said to Pacey twice that she was tired or running from it. All the pieces of their story seem to make sense now after watching it again.

I actually liked Josh's beard, I thought it was sexy. He looks sexy without it too of course.

PaceyJunkie

Hi everyone! I'm Mar and I'm new to this forum! I just rewatched DC and wanted to chat it up since I realized I'm still so very obsessed with Pacey Witter.

I originally agreed that it was out of character for Pacey to be so understanding of the DJo relationship attempt in S5 since he was so in love with Jo in S3/4. Buttt looking back, I actually think it was a good call. It shows how much more of a man Pacey is than Dawson was in S3/4. I was so devastated by the breakup (eff you promicide!), but Pacey knew that Jo needed to deal with her relationship with Dawson that kept lingering in the background throughout S3/4. I like to think of S5 as Pacey's way of letting Jo figure out her back and forth feelings for Dawson (much to our dismay as we had to watch ) and for Pacey to grow up and realize he is a man worthy of something or someone like Jo (he held her on such a high pedestal!). Also, it wouldn't have been very Pacey to freak out or stress Jo out more in S5 with both of them vying for her again ("And I understand. I do, I understand. There are no ultimatums here." - Pacey 3x21.... ugh <3). In a rather selfish way, I do wish they showed him more upset/angsty though in S5 (maybe in private like he longed for her still, IDK). I can talk about this forever... ha!

Oh! And as much as I didn't like Pacey with Audrey, I have to admit they did a fine job casting her as the role of the girl who Pacey dated next. She was likeable and funny and let's face it, PJers were going to dislike Paceys next girlfriend regardless so if the writers could (and I think they did!) cast someone that I wasn't completely annoyed with and made me laugh, I give them props.

Look forward to chatting

msstock87

Welcome PaceyJunkie! You made some good points about Pacey in season 5. All the lack of P/J that was not there in season 5 led to them finally getting their happy ending.

Anti-Soulmates

Welcome PaceyJunkie

Yea I never hated Audrey but I was upset that he had to get together with Joeys Roommate. I was like he couldnt branch out?

and maybe that "you two deserve your chance" can be seen as him saying they deserve a chance at having an adult relationship or to get proper closure for a relationship thats been barely hanging on for years. It still hurt the literal one time I saw the clip

posterity

Welcome to the thread Mar

I am the same way! I haven't rewatched DC is ages and I did a few weeks back and fell back into my Pacey obsession.

I think you are right that the problem with Pacey and Audrey (besides not being Pacey and Joey) is that she was Joey's roomate. I am sure he could have found a girl outside of that circle but he managed to find one who was literally sharing space with Joey. It was very bizzare but maybe he just wanted to be near Joey..

ChristinaL80

Welcome Mar!

I agree, I like to think Pacey was just trying to be supportive of Joey in season 5. I don't for a minute think that he truly believed that Dawson and Joey deserved to have their chance, which is obvious in season 6.

As for Audrey, I also hate that she was Joey's roommate. Part of the reason that Pacey broke up with Joey was that he believed they were going to be in two different worlds. But he shows up in Boston and ends up dating her college roommate. It didn't make sense, but I also like to think that he just wanted to be near Joey.

PaceyJunkie

Thanks everyone!

You guys are so right - I wasn't even thinking of the roommate situation in my last post. That was oh so very messed up (on the writers part, not on pacey's hahah - denial ). But if it was anyone else's roommate/friend, Joey and Pacey probably would have had zero interaction and that would have really upset me!

So I saw this the other day and loved really thinking about it. Thought I'd throw it out there and see what other people think! It's a list of questions that pertain to the writing/foreshadowing in the show. The answers are supposed to be specific scenes, shots that the writers may (or may not have intentionally haha) put in to introduce an idea to viewers:

1. When did you first know the PJ storyline would happen?
2. When did you first know PJ would break up?
3. When did you first know the Pacey/Audrey storyline would happen?
4. When did you first know the Pacey/Audrey storyline was on the decline?
5. When could you first know that PJ still had feelings for one another in Season 6 (or 5)?
6. When did you first think Joey would pick Pacey in the finale episode?

Enjoy! It's fun to see how everyone sees things in different ways! I posted my answers below in case you wanted to answer first without a biased opinion!

xoxo, Mar

1. The scene where Dawson and Pacey talk about him looking out for her in S3. I know in S1 they had a small thing but I honestly didn't think they'd bring it back since it'd been so long. Not until that convo! The dock scene confirmed it - and that song "hold on".... omg LOVE.
2. All through S3 I kept thinking I kind of just want this PJ angst to go on forever and they never actually get together (only kind of!!) simply because I know in every show, when a couple gets together, they eventually break up. And I was so invested I wouldn't be able to handle it! haha. But for me it was definitely confirmed the episode following when they had sex. Did the writers really have to follow up the most romantic scene I've ever seen/had been waiting for with Pacey being contrived to be an post-sex-typical-ass which was oh so not Pacey! That scene in the beginning of Four Stories will always bother me and it was when I knew the writers were trying to plant Pacey as someone else and it would eventually lead to their downfall. There are many scenes like that in S4.
3. When they all had dinner at Grams' house. Pacey had just said goodbye to Karen and they were bantering the whole evening. Ya just knew.
4. First scene of S6 when they pulled up from LA. I could tell Pacey was tired of her (how can you really beat the summer with your true love Joey Potter!!).
5. When Pacey asks Joey if she remembered the summer they spent together at Hell's Kitchen in the first S6E1. The look on his face when Joey says "I think I remember something to that effect" is PERFECT and made me so happy.
6. Easy - when they played "if" and Joey walks up to the Icehouse. I melted when I saw the look on Pacey's face. How could she really pick Dawson after that scene.

Anti-Soulmates

Yea I doubt Pacey believed the two would make it, I just feel like he thought that if they tried to make it work while they were more mature they would see how much they arent meant for each other so they dont continue to be obstacles in each others future relationships.

And question, did Joey ever say she was uncomfortable with the Pacey Audrey relationship? Like in season 6?I know Pacey and Joey had that temporary amnesia going for a while but once the fog lifted and they remembered that they used to be a couple did she ever say anything about them?

Freshgirlly908

1. When did you first know the PJ storyline would happen? The dock scene in 3x01
2. When did you first know PJ would break up? The morning after their first time it always gives me this bad feeling.
3. When did you first know the Pacey/Audrey storyline would happen? Dinner at Grams
4. When did you first know the Pacey/Audrey storyline was on the decline? The PJ Jukebox scene, he basically says it.
5. When could you first know that PJ still had feelings for one another in Season 6 (or 5)? Clean and Sober it was obvious. Not really sure about before that.
6. When did you first think Joey would pick Pacey in the finale episode? The kiss during the dance. Other than Dawson's dream she didn't kiss him, plus her conversation with Jen.

posterity

1. When did you first know the PJ storyline would happen?

3x01 like everyone else. It was obvious by the dock scene and I was completely excited

2. When did you first know PJ would break up?

Coming Home when I saw Joey lie to Pacey about having a package for her sister when they got off the boat. I hate that they didn't give the audience time to see Pacey and Joey happy as a couple before they started to try to segway back to the triangle drama. But their morning after scene in Four Stories was the ultimate tip off. I don't understand why they did that after the amazing scene we got beforehand of them having sex for the first time.

3. When did you first know the Pacey/Audrey storyline would happen?

As soon as Joey had a roomate I knew it would happen. They needed Pacey yo be distracted while she was chasing after Dawson.

4. When did you first know the Pacey/Audrey storyline was on the decline?

When they came back from LA and it was obvious that Pacey was tired of her act. She was too much for Pacey because he had changed too much. Plus he was never all that interested in women like Audrey. He might not have been the studious student but all his most relevant romances were with book smart women.

I know a lot of people think Pacey was the reason why him and Audrey broke up but I thought she was completely needy and lacked any understanding towards his desire to better himself and this also factored into their break up.

5. When could you first know that PJ still had feelings for one another in Season 6 (or 5)?

Clean and Sober but I only knew this from Pacey's end. When Joey brought up that they were not together, I don't think she said it because she was devastated over it. I think her recounting her relationship with Pacey made it obvious he was still upset by it though and so I knew they would be revisted. Although I suspected it when Audrey made her drunken speech about Pacey, Joey and Dawson at the dinner table, which was episodes before Clean and Sober.

6. When did you first think Joey would pick Pacey in the finale episode?

I suspected it after their dance but was sure of it after she made the speech about not wanting to be let off the hook, and followed it by the consolation prize "soulmate" scene with Dawson. I knew at that point that she had not picked him to give him a consolation speech like that.