Riverdale
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Originally Posted by Alan
I still find the character the dullest of everyone on the show, but this was a good episode for the actor. He hit everything right, from Archie's exasperated giving in to Betty to his drunken party antics.
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That's precisely how I feel.
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I was torn. Yes Betty was trying to give Jughead the perfect birthday, but it was her version of the perfect birthday. Archie repeatedly told her that Jughead wouldn't want a part. Jughead repeatedly told her that he wouldn't want a party. She did it anyway.
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She definitely was warned. I just think she thought it was going to be the three of them plus Kevin and Veronica and his father. She never planned on those others showing up. That's when it got totally out of control. I guess she should have realized a lot could go wrong.
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This was the first episode where I actually saw/felt that chemistry. Maybe it was because Jughead was doing something besides passively observing everything in the semi-daze that he seems to default to. I don't know. But I actually was glad when he went back and made things right with Betty, and not just because I wanted Betty happy.
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Awesome, you're liking them more.
When he cupped her hands and kissed them... wow, so freaken sweet. Then he took off his hat... both were so vulnerable and they didn't care because they trusted each other.
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You're definitely not wrong in that description of Lili.
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Right? Her eyes are this spectacular shade. Sometimes they look purple almost, the color is so unique. I don't think I've ever seen such a beautiful shade. Just gorgeous.
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Cheryl seems like the sort to have an entire list of real and imagined slights for every person in her life. I'm sure that this was about all of them. Besides, I got the idea that the dance off was the last straw. I think that Archie rejecting her last week was combined with the general dislike she has for Veronica and led to horribleness. I want to like Cheryl as a villain, but aligning with Chuck was pretty unforgivable. No matter what she feels for Archie and the gang, teaming up with someone of Chuck's reprehensible personality is a step too far. His severely misogynistic view of women alone should have precluded him as a conspirator.
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Exactly. She crossed the line teaming up with that poor excuse. It sucks because I loved that Cheryl/Betty scene in that earlier episode when they exposed Chuck.
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I liked him the whole episode. He's one of the more intriguing characters on the show. Most of the time you have to wonder if he's sincere in the things he's saying, or working an angle. I took him at face value in that moment. He saw a chance to improve his son's life using his own past experience as example, an he took it.
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I'm holding out hope that he's working with the feds somehow. Even if he's not, I still don't think he's a bad guy. He clearly loves his son. Skeet plays him to perfection. I'm constantly pulling for the character.
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That sums up the audiences thoughts nicely I think.
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I'm glad it was stated because it's unrealistic Cheryl never would have been teased about this before. It's so obvious this sibling dynamic was weird and continues to be weird through Cheryl.
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I thought that was weird too. She doesn't seem like the type to hook up with someone solely to punish/taunt an ex, so there was no real reason for her to be there...outside of the writers needing her there for Archie to drunkenly accost.
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That's precisely why she was there, I think... just to help the writers along. So stupid, though. I don't even really blame Archie for thinking maybe they had a chance to work things out since she showed up. He got all excited when he saw her which made sense. Why wouldn't he? I can see why he might have thought there was hope since she showed up at his house. I don't know how she expected him to just ignore her without seeing if she was there to work things out or at least be friendly with him again.
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Well, I can't comment on the comics that much because the Archie comics I read when I was a kid were my dad's old comics from the 60's, and there was no hint of anything between Betty and Jughead in those. In fact, he was often paired up with Ethel if he was paired with anyone. They did follow that pattern you mentioned though. I remember even then wondering why Betty even liked Archie when he only talked to her when Veronica wouldn't talk to him.
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I'm confused over this too... people have been showing comics on the Riverdale board of Betty and Jughead in this sort of gray zone. He still loves his food, lol, but it's insinuated that she holds a special place in his heart which is huge since typically he doesn't care about romantic stuff. Yes, Archie definitely always preferred Veronica it seems. Betty was his second choice, comfortable choice while he chased Veronica.
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As for a romance on the show...I'm resigned to it. I think that Veronica (and Betty for that matter) are too good for Archie as he is now. Maybe this will all be a catalyst for him to stop wallowing the his life and actually make a more mature turn. I thought he was tasking a step in that direction when he started going out with Valerie, but that proved to be a momentary thing.
As for their interaction in this episode specifically...throughout the series so far, I've always understood why Archie wanted to kiss the people he has kissed. I've just never understood why those women want to kiss him. For the first time, I understood why in this episode, but it wasn't really because of Archie's qualities as a person. It was more wanting comfort and commiserating over their dysfunctional families. Also, I don't think they did more than some light to heavy making out because Veronica was fully clothed in that bed. I just don't believe that she and Archie would've had sex and then she completely redressed and kicked him out of the bed. Plus, I think if she had actually done the deed with him she'd have felt compelled to tell Betty about it, for better or worse. I'm surprised she didn't tell her about kissing him again at the end.
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I feel like if anyone can sort of "straighten out" Archie it's Veronica. She doesn't seem to take sht. I think she already sort of keeps him in line a bit. Naturally, he wants to show her emotional honesty, it's like he has no other choice either because she can see right through it anyway.
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So, does she have another necklace, or did she spend the time to round up all those individual pearls off the bathroom floor after her breakdown?
I felt sorry for her too. I have long suspected her dad was a horrible person, and it's very sad to see Veronica find this out for certain. I too think that Hermione is at heart a good person, so I'm glad that Veronica has one good parent, but I'm sad that realizing that made her feel as if she had to buckle to the blackmail to protect her mom.
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What a horrible situation, indeed.
One of the best parts of the episode was when Veronica asked that guy if her dad and then mom were good people. That scene just sticks out because it's so raw and real. I was relieved when he said good things about her mom. I do believe Hermione has been caught up in the family business and has had to make some shady decisions but overall, she's definitely decent and certainly loves her daughter.
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Like I said, I'm resigned to it, just like I'm sure you're resigned to the fact that at some point B/J are most likely going to break up, and she's going to date Archie. I'd love for the show to break completely out of the mold of the comics, but I just don't see that happening. It just wouldn't be an Archie show without at least a perfunctory attempt at the classic love triangle.
I just hope that Archie gets better. It's like on One Tree Hill. I'd have never wanted Haley with the Nathan that existed at the first of season 1, but he eventually evolved into a pretty good person. While Archie isn't as bad as that, he does have a ways to go before I ship him with any character I actually like.
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Exactly. They'll definitely break up, at least for a while. I just hope the foundation B/J have built will keep them strong and they'll find a way back to each other.
Good Nathan comparison... that's the thing with Veronica and Archie... it just seems like they're writing him in a way where he's with someone and then looking in the direction of another girl as well. I hope maybe it will be different with Veronica but who knows.
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I didn't like that either. As I said, it was obvious that kissing (and maybe a little groping) was all that happened, so I don't understand why she didn't say anything. Especially since Jughead caught her coming down the stairs that morning.
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I wonder if Veronica thinks Betty still pines for Archie? It's just weird because she sees how much Betty has fallen for Jughead. Yes, please, Veronica, tell Betty very quickly about your romantic interaction with Archie. You did nothing wrong, Betty will be fine.
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Me too. Now maybe it won't feel like she and Kevin are on their own separate show anymore.
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LOL True.
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I'm worried that this new and improved Alice is going to end up being a facade, but for now I'm enjoying her. Maybe she'll have a torrid affair with her old buddy.
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Bring it.
Yes, this new version of Alice I really like. I hope she sticks around.
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It'll be interesting.
That reference reminds me: why did Arche and the gang go for Cheryl and Chuck's 'game' in the first place? It's Archie's house, so he could kick them out at any time, so the fact that they just sat back and passively let C & C roll over them annoys me. At least Veronica fought back. I think that Cheryl has made a huge mistake by making an enemy out of Veronica, because she seems to be the only person in the entire town that is possessed with the fortitude to take that demon down a peg or two.
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I love when Veronica fought back. She's so awesome.
Yes, it was weird how Archie just let them roll in on... even Jughead could have said they were not coming in. Very strange both Archie and Jughead just let them walk in. Both Archie and Jughead defended Betty overall but none of this even had to happen if Archie would have told them to GTFO from the start.
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As is usually the case on shows like this. Of course, they don't have to work with the entire Blossom family scrutinizing their every move like the sheriff does.
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Exactly.
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Nice that she's part of the inner circle.
That was great. Seems like a nice merch tie-in for the show.
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Love these bits.
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I enjoyed the episode was well. I'm hoping this one is the signal that we're going back more to the Betty and Veronica friendship, and maybe Veronica and Archie can bang out a quick relationship so they can get that over with...
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My question is why haven't more people found this show? Did you see the ratings for the last episode? They suck.
It's really disappointing. Thankfully, Netflix is involved because apparently good ratings are happening in this area. But regular ratings are really bad. People are already hoping that Netflix just picks the show up automatically after season 2. This show is really unique. It's a shame more people aren't finding it.